Geomax I'm back and I'm in Moscow if anyone wants to meet up.
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AlexBrown84
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how is russia as a society? compare it to the other major ones
russia is the only major society i’ve never been
russia is the only major society i’ve never been
Stellar_Travels
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I'll be there in May
I’m guessing you’re half Russian since you have a connection to the country?
0 connection, just have a passion for language learning and cultures (my goal is to one day learn all 6 UN languages, ive gotten Spanish & Russian down so far).
Sounds good, I know a few other Americans and there's a bar where they host a language exchange every Sunday
It's very different than anything I've ever experienced before. I lived in Thailand and the US and it's honestly shocking that I can say the US and Thailand have more in common than the US and Russia despite both being 'European' in origin.
You may have heard the stereotype that Russian's don't smile. It's true in the sense that interactions between strangers are cold and formal (compared to the US where it's casual/polite/friendly), the bar for small talk and interacting with strangers is also a lot higher than in the US. That being said it seems relationships go deeper here. In the US you can have 50 acquaintances and not really be close to anyone. In Russia you will have 2-3 people that would help you hide a body and are 100% ride or die.
Dating also works differently, I personally think it's harder. Keep in mind I'm 18 and my acceptable age range is 16-22. Russian women get serious much quicker (asking about your plans for the future), they also vet you more thoroughly than American women do (even the ones in high school asked me where I go to university, what I plan to do for work, etc). That's not to say ONS and hookups don't exist --they do, and Moscow is a degenerate modern city like every other-- but in terms of LTR and who they spread their legs for the standards are much higher than in their western counterparts. Russia in this sense is in many ways 'harder' than the West --couple that with the language barrier.
All in all, Russia is a very niche country. They don't even have many tourists let alone people that want to live there. It's not for everyone and you either hate it or love it --no real in between.
Are you going to university there?
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Is lookism standards higher there? Do you get status for being foreigner? Also how is the p4p if you have engaged in it?
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I remember reading threads where foreigners have gotten the most amount of matches in Moscow, out of all the cities they've been
but the attitude of the girls seem to be very gold digger, not down to ONS for the most part, and quite annoying
but the attitude of the girls seem to be very gold digger, not down to ONS for the most part, and quite annoying
Stellar_Travels
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I'd say the fact they aren't down for ONS is a plus, the hook-up culture along with radical feminism is what made the West terrible and unlivable for the vast majority of men
I wish there were more places like Russia where women still have a feminine polarity and aren't degenerate sluts for the top 10% of men
I wish there were more places like Russia where women still have a feminine polarity and aren't degenerate sluts for the top 10% of men
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14passport
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most people here only care about ONS and fucking a bunch of girls
you think anyone here is traditional? lmao
Stellar_Travels
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That's because most people here are still very young (late teens/early 20s)
But having a relationship with a beautiful and classy girl is much more satisfying than having a dozen of ONS with trashy girls brainwashed by radical feminism
ONS in Europe with above average girls is impossible for 90% of men...even finding a good looking girlfriend is extremely hard for the majority of men, basically they either get one through their social circle by the time they're in the mid 20s or it's game over.
The radical feminism and hook up culture ruined the West for almost all men, I'm trying to escape it and if Russia is different it's a very positive culture aspect.
I don't think Russia is the right place for men looking for easy sex....for easy sex the West is better but you need to have the looks. No top looks = no easy sex
SEA is where most men usually end up banging mediocre looking girls....but I prefer dating and banging one beautiful and classy russian girl than 50 thai or philippines girls
But having a relationship with a beautiful and classy girl is much more satisfying than having a dozen of ONS with trashy girls brainwashed by radical feminism
ONS in Europe with above average girls is impossible for 90% of men...even finding a good looking girlfriend is extremely hard for the majority of men, basically they either get one through their social circle by the time they're in the mid 20s or it's game over.
The radical feminism and hook up culture ruined the West for almost all men, I'm trying to escape it and if Russia is different it's a very positive culture aspect.
I don't think Russia is the right place for men looking for easy sex....for easy sex the West is better but you need to have the looks. No top looks = no easy sex
SEA is where most men usually end up banging mediocre looking girls....but I prefer dating and banging one beautiful and classy russian girl than 50 thai or philippines girls
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Stellar_Travels
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This is the kind of girl I'm after when I'll be in Moscow next spring...a true Russian beauty
take pictures of average russian girls
well you know, i have a problem with that whole "gold digger" philosophy.
1. men want women to be servile and traditional
2. most men dont' want a woman to work in the work place (if they work that is not traditional roles for women).
but here is the rub. Men go online and complain that women want men to pay for them. Well, what is a traditional woman supposed to do, if she doesnt' work. You cannot have it both ways, modern woman work or traditional woman that depends on you for survival. Pick one.
if you really want traditional, you will have to man up and pay. But here is where the fine line between gold digger and a traditional woman lies. A traditional woman will want you to take care of her, and ask for reasonable things. the moment she crosses that line to the gold digger spectrum is when most men need to drop that woman.
example, woman wants you to buy her clothes. Fine. and take her out sometimes, fine. but if she is cleaning your house, washing your clothes and generally being servile, you owe that to her.
but if she's asking for a sports car, jewelry simple cause "she wants it". and not a birthday or anniversary. complains about where you take her out (as long as it's not subway every time) or mentions money at anytime, if she is living with you and you take care of all the bills. Then that starts to cross the line to gold diggery
Yes
In Moscow it's high and + you need to have wealth/status factor. I was surpised as well but those 4 chan images you see floating around of mongrel looking russians is not accurate at all. Tons of tall pretty white boys in the center of Moscow and you see many of them on the metro and hanging around bars and stuff at night.
Foreigner status is real, especially if American. Remember however that Russia is a white country --it's not like China where everyone notices right away that you're a foreigner and tries to approach you. Unless they hear you speaking English or you tell them directly, you will be treated like anyone else. It's a good ice breaker and useful to spark interest, but beyond that it's up to your looks + game to be able to get with a woman (level of Russian too).
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It's 100% true, there is a lot of money in Moscow and the development is higher than NYC and pretty much ever American city I've been to.
Other cities might be better but good luck since even in Moscow not many people speak english. Petersburg is also an option since they're more hippy liberal there and want more of an 'artsy' guy. Compared to Moscow where it's dress like you're an oligarch and act as if you have all the money in the world (even if you work in a coffee shop lol)
I think you have a bit of a misinformed view on Russia. One of those 'looking for a trad wife' in Russia types.
Russia is just like any other country in Europe, the biggest lie that people have about Russia is that it's somehow a conservative country. Girls lose their virginity at 14-16 here on average. ONS happen a lot and if they don't happen to you you are simply not good looking enough. No feminism here doesn't really mean much, just expect to buy flowers, pay for dates, and have her put out a bit longer. They will still have similar body counts and attitudes as their western counterparts do.
You want a tradwife? Move to West Virginia and find a church girl, or go to Utah and become a mormon, you won't find one here (easily) especially not in Moscow.
If you are 6'0+ with money and white then it's possible
They look the same as in Poland and even similar to the girls in my town in the US. Only difference is they dress better and look older (very popular for even 16 year old girls to be wearing a tan blazer)
100% true, shoot me a dm btw if you're ever in Thailand, I go back to Bangkok every now and then.
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Great thread @fjor2096. Love your updates on Moscow and looking forward to your progress there.
I was wondering in Russia, is there a racial hierarchy like there is in the west? Obviously white are on top. But what about racial prejudices though? I'm SEA American and you are a hapa so I was curious. I had a rich Asian chang friend from Hong Kong who went there last summer and said because he looked like a Central Asian, lots of girls there confused him for being one of the low paid workers from Central Asia and that he got bad reception from the hawties at the high end clubs. He eventually did get some hawt girls from Tinder though during his stay.
I was wondering in Russia, is there a racial hierarchy like there is in the west? Obviously white are on top. But what about racial prejudices though? I'm SEA American and you are a hapa so I was curious. I had a rich Asian chang friend from Hong Kong who went there last summer and said because he looked like a Central Asian, lots of girls there confused him for being one of the low paid workers from Central Asia and that he got bad reception from the hawties at the high end clubs. He eventually did get some hawt girls from Tinder though during his stay.
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Yeah by flashing wealth in his pics lol
Stellar_Travels
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Never been there yet but I met Russian girls abroad
Based on my perception they have a very strong feminine polarity which is lacking in the West nowadays.
As far as I could understand Russia doesn't have a hook-up culture like the West, the dating culture there is different. It's dating that lead to relationships instead of dating for casual sex. So the body count is definitely less, then sure there are some sluts like in every country or girls that will sleep with you for money but I'm not counting those
Nobody here said that Russia is like Saudi Arabia or Iran, nor should it be like that of course. But there is a difference between the completely deranged hook up culture of the US/Scandinavia and Russia. Even when I was in Ukraine pre Covid, the dating culture was very different. Most girls required 3 dates before they slept with you...unless you paid of course
I don't want a tradwife, I want a beautiful woman that act like a woman and doesn't have a body count of a porn star by the time she is in her late 20s. Most girls in the West are completely undateable
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But if you have high body count and are happy to do p4p its no problem right?
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A man is very different from a woman, it's not as emotional. Women become total train wreck when they get dumped, end up on antidepressants, anxiolytics, they put on weight ecc. Disgusting. As a man in his early 30s I can say that there are no dateable women in their early 30s in the West.
Moreover, they need to act classy. In the West you have women having extremely high body counts whereas 30% of men (or more) are virgin in their mid 20s. Radical feminism is what popularized the hook up culture for women and I completely reject that
14passport
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yeah yeah lol
cause men dont ever become depressed after a break up or cheat
with this mindset you can have fun with gold diggers, none of the high value women want you anyway
Stellar_Travels
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Men and women brains are different. Women in their late teens are very different than women in their late 20s, and I'm not talking about maturity here.
And who told you that no high value woman want me? lol It's me that don't want low value women. I'm not settling for a radical feminist with a body count of a slut, jaded with life and on antidepressant. Fuck that. I'm a high value man that is above average in looks for my age and way above average in money. I want a top 10% woman and I will never settle for anything less
And who told you that no high value woman want me? lol It's me that don't want low value women. I'm not settling for a radical feminist with a body count of a slut, jaded with life and on antidepressant. Fuck that. I'm a high value man that is above average in looks for my age and way above average in money. I want a top 10% woman and I will never settle for anything less
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High value women give priority to local high value men first and foremost. Sure you may have the money but that is just the price of entry. I think if any average foreign guy is really shooting for girls of that calibur, he better additionally be ready to be invested in the language and live there long term at the least.
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That's what I intend to do, If I like it in Moscow I'll invest in the golden visa and move there
There is nothing that keep me in that shithole that is Western Europe....high taxes, extremely low value women, woke ideology, rampant immigration and crime, economic decline, cultural decline ecc.
I'd pay 13% in taxes in Moscow compared to 50% in Europe and I'll be around women that are way better looking and much higher value
There is nothing that keep me in that shithole that is Western Europe....high taxes, extremely low value women, woke ideology, rampant immigration and crime, economic decline, cultural decline ecc.
I'd pay 13% in taxes in Moscow compared to 50% in Europe and I'll be around women that are way better looking and much higher value
14passport
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yeah cause a dictatorship that invades other countries must be the definition of non woke, and the best culture
the economy is also going great /s
Russia outside of the 1% is a complete shithole
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The only dictatorship is Ukraine and the EU is too btw LMAO
Imagine thinking Russia invaded Ukraine without provocations when the US actually created a coup in Ukraine in 2014 and the Nazi criminals that took power started to slaughter people in Donbass for years
You must watch less propaganda
Imagine thinking Russia invaded Ukraine without provocations when the US actually created a coup in Ukraine in 2014 and the Nazi criminals that took power started to slaughter people in Donbass for years
You must watch less propaganda
No need for the golden visa btw, if you're American too they have a new visa that allows you to move there and instantly get Temporary Residency.
Yes Racial hierarchy definitely exists. Definitely try to make yourself stand out if you look Central Asian, they all have bad reputations except Kazakhs.
It's a double edged sword imo, nobody looks at me twice in Moscow and they all assume I speak Russian natively until I open my mouth --great for integration but not so good because of the low status of migrants. Although I am tall and dress decently so it doesn't affect me all that much.
Russian women prefer Russian men first and foremost.
Whites: Then its Southern Europeans (Spaniards, Italians, French), since 90% have never been out of the country they have delusional stereotypes about them (I remember one of my friends went to Spain and she was so excited only to realize she was taller than most of the men there LOL).
Next would be other Europeans.
Asians: Koreans & Japanese are super popular (Lot's of Chinese now, they're not viewed negatively just more neutral like and less exotic), then Asian Russians NATIVE to Russia (think in Siberia, like Buryats, Yakuts, etc) finally Kazakhs, and then everyone else is viewed negatively
Blacks/Africans: Lots of poor students study here from Africa, you will be grouped in with them. Only Westernized Africans seem to do decently and even then it's a niche population (always some BBC whores but again, very niche), KPOP & Kdramas is definitely more popular than rap/basketball/ whatever culture you associate blacks with.
Arabs: Also lots of them, can sometimes do better than blacks, definitely do better than indians.
Indians: Never even seen an indian talking to a russian be it male or female lmao, they stick to their own and don't really bother trying to integrate. Westernized Indian might do decent, idk. Not many of them here as tourists, just students.
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Asians with the kpop look do well everywhere
nerdy asians have a hard time
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My Chang friends who gets great results in CE/EE do not have the KPOP look at all. They are guys who lean more into the well dressed, clean cut, dapper look. This look appeal to the most wide range of girls including girls who are into KPOP. But yes, nerdy look does not do well in Euro countries in general.
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they must be kinda attractive or are getting low quality girls
in western europe asians are invisible unless they play into the kpop look or are obviously attractive, gym maxxed
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I heard about that but I think it has a limited time. If I like Moscow, I'll seriously consider a golden visa. Basically you invest in a real estate property in Moscow and in exchange you get a permanent residency. It's perfect for me
Honestly I only care about two things: 1) having an abundance of high quality women around 2) very low taxes.
Russia taxes are extremely low, only 13%....compare that to that shithole of the European Union where taxes are 50%+ and life for a man absolutely SUCK as the block was built to give unprecedented privileges to women and gays and discriminate non stop against white men making their life hell.
And as for women, I already have an idea....I've been to Kiev many times and it was full of hot girls back then, in Moscow I expect the same because people that have been to both told me the level of beauty is very similar
The only other option for me is Dubai where taxes are zero but I don't like it much. You can get a golden visa there too and avoid paying taxes...I have considered it in the past but if I like Moscow, I'll rather pay 13% taxes more to stay in a place surrounded by real women and a beautiful, non deranged culture and politics which align with my values
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No homo but they are attractive, else I would not refer to them as Changs. The one rich Chang I know is probably the best player I have ever met in my life. I have seen the girls he gets and even met them. His results beat results that white guys get in CE/EE. Top tier CE/EE women. And I have met many geomaxxers and RVF guys. In CE/EE, the ethnic tax gets removed from the dating landscape for Asian men and so it becomes a level playing field.
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Ethnic tax doesnt get removed
they are just hot and rich enough where it doesnt matter
being attractive is a cheat code, and women that would never date you, make an exception
I know black guys and indian guys that fuck more girls than you can imagine, so what?
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^^ LOLZ Yes it does.
My Chang friends have grew up/traveled to America and gamed there. The reception Anglo/Western European white girls give Asian guys is completely different than in CE/EE. Their results were awful in comparison to their results in CE/EE. The prejudice/perception that a girl have of you and your race when you are talking to them is giga important. We Asians are generally seen as being neutral on the social ladder in CE/EE. That is a big part of the reasons why me and my friends do well in that area.
My Chang friends have grew up/traveled to America and gamed there. The reception Anglo/Western European white girls give Asian guys is completely different than in CE/EE. Their results were awful in comparison to their results in CE/EE. The prejudice/perception that a girl have of you and your race when you are talking to them is giga important. We Asians are generally seen as being neutral on the social ladder in CE/EE. That is a big part of the reasons why me and my friends do well in that area.
kpopmaxxing for me is not necessarily trying to be a BTS member but rather softmaxxing to the strengths asians naturally have (skinmaxxing, looking high class, etc)
I am lean with piercings and try to dress nicely. That's pretty much 90% of it
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look you're basically saying that you're willing to pay the ethnic tax. it's about money. come on dude
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I could see this being advantageous for white guys in the U.S. tbh
How?
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How so? Just because I geomaxxed to poorer European country? If this is the case, this makes me no different than any of yall on this forum moving to a cheaper SEA country. Sure money is one aspect of it, but it definitely isn't the only one.
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