Easiest way to improve SMV

[younglivinglife]

1. Gym (raises looks easily.) ever heard a non gym guy not getting attention?
2. Work a brand or business. No need for 50k a month income but even 1k a month usd goes a long way or just 500 if it doesent take a lot of time
3. Work on speaking skills.

These 3 things is why guys here can't date above 5.5 IRL. Obviously dating 6.5-7 IRL has ts own issues but if your into looks, dating 6 IRL gets much easier.

 

[younglivinglife]

That is in South East Asia. In Europe unfortunately these don't even get a step in door.

 

[myeyes]

Definitely. In Aus if you’re tall this can raise you from a 5 to a 9. If you’re short this raises you from a 4 to a 5

 

[F_Wilks]

1. Gym (raises looks easily.) ever heard a non gym guy not getting attention?

Are you sure the gym is a worthwhile investment if you're geomaxxing in SEA? The gym is not a trivial investment in your appearance, it requires continuous time investment, as well as continuous calorie consumption, indefinitely.

Also, Asian women respond the least to muscular physiques relative to women of other races. Judging by the men they're dating here in the US, it's clearly not a priority. They're the polar opposite of black women in this respect.

Muscles in Asia are seen as the same as tattoos, at worst they're seen as either an indicator of criminality or at best, of inferior social status.

Everything I've read about geomaxxing indicates that learning the local language is the single most important factor in being a successful geomaxxer.

Even stylemaxxing, which only requires a minimal investment of time and money, would probably get you further than having an impressive physique.

 

[F_Wilks]

Definitely. In Aus if you’re tall this can raise you from a 5 to a 9. If you’re short this raises you from a 4 to a 5

Sounds like Australia is brutally centered around height. Different things matter in different countries. Money matters most in China, I guess for Australia being a Tall King is the priority.

 

[ExcuseMe]

Also, Asian women respond the least to muscular physiques relative to women of other races. Judging by the men they're dating here in the US, it's clearly not a priority. They're the polar opposite of black women in this respect.

Muscles in Asia are seen as the same as tattoos, at worst they're seen as either an indicator of criminality or at best, of inferior social status.

When people talk about "muscular physiques", they often imagine professional bodybuilders or "fitness influencers", which are all on steroids, even if they don't admit it.
if you're natural, and you stay lean, it's really difficult to get so big it becomes a failo.

like let's say this type of body would be considered ideal:

it's not "big", but for sure requires a dedicated muscle-building routine. you don't look like this from just dieting down and doing a few crunches.

 

[bateman]

When people talk about "muscular physiques", they often imagine professional bodybuilders or "fitness influencers", which are all on steroids, even if they don't admit it.
if you're natural, and you stay lean, it's really difficult to get so big it becomes a failo.

like let's say this type of body would be considered ideal:
View attachment 11657
it's not "big", but for sure requires a dedicated muscle-building routine. you don't look like this from just dieting down and doing a few crunches.

How many years would it take to get a body like that? How many days a week should you lift weights?

 

[ExcuseMe]

How many days a week should you lift weights?

I'm not any authority on this stuff, but AFAIK you should hit each muscle group once every 4-6 days

How many years would it take to get a body like that?

depends on your starting point of course. and unless you have narrow hip bones, you will never look exactly like this guy anyway. just try to look better than you did 3 months ago.

 

[RetireAndCope]

Are you sure the gym is a worthwhile investment if you're geomaxxing in SEA? The gym is not a trivial investment in your appearance, it requires continuous time investment, as well as continuous calorie consumption, indefinitely.

Also, Asian women respond the least to muscular physiques relative to women of other races. Judging by the men they're dating here in the US, it's clearly not a priority. They're the polar opposite of black women in this respect.

Muscles in Asia are seen as the same as tattoos, at worst they're seen as either an indicator of criminality or at best, of inferior social status.

Everything I've read about geomaxxing indicates that learning the local language is the single most important factor in being a successful geomaxxer.

Even stylemaxxing, which only requires a minimal investment of time and money, would probably get you further than having an impressive physique.

Gym is worthwhile irrespective of women, a net positive for your health if you don't freak out and start taking roids and just eat healthier next to it. There is no downside

It might raise you 0.5 point in SMV if you leanmaxx with tone like @ExcuseMe said above, but as you know and should be the basis, no gym for your face (except if you have good bone structure underneath the fat on your face and can get your bodyfat% down, then it might be like a ~2 point bump)

But that shouldn't be part of your decision, just go to the gym and work out, eat healthier, then feel better during the day. It's not that deep

 

[14passport]

Are you sure the gym is a worthwhile investment if you're geomaxxing in SEA? The gym is not a trivial investment in your appearance, it requires continuous time investment, as well as continuous calorie consumption, indefinitely.

Also, Asian women respond the least to muscular physiques relative to women of other races. Judging by the men they're dating here in the US, it's clearly not a priority. They're the polar opposite of black women in this respect.

Muscles in Asia are seen as the same as tattoos, at worst they're seen as either an indicator of criminality or at best, of inferior social status.

Everything I've read about geomaxxing indicates that learning the local language is the single most important factor in being a successful geomaxxer.

Even stylemaxxing, which only requires a minimal investment of time and money, would probably get you further than having an impressive physique.

Then why are lean muscular guys always on top of tinder/bumble everywhere in Asia?
Gym matters a lot if you know the type of body to go for. Asian women love the kind of gym bodies kpop stars have and your matches will increase x10 easily.

I recently started the gym and the attractiveness of people at the gym is a lot higher than what you see on the streets, why? because having muscles and low body fat is a lot more attractive and it works for everyone.

Asian women like the same as everywhere in the world, you think they prefer a guy that's not in shape vs someone that works out?

 

[14passport]

My personal ranking would be in this order:

1. Gym, especifically a lean body like the one posted a few messages up in this thread
2. Overall style: clothes, haircut, facial hair, accesories...
3. Income/Money in english speaking countries // Language in countries with low levels of english

 

[RetireAndCope]

Then why are lean muscular guys always on top of tinder/bumble everywhere in Asia?
Gym matters a lot if you know the type of body to go for. Asian women love the kind of gym bodies kpop stars have and your matches will increase x10 easily.

I recently started the gym and the attractiveness of people at the gym is a lot higher than what you see on the streets, why? because having muscles and low body fat is a lot more attractive and it works for everyone.

Asian women like the same as everywhere in the world, you think they prefer a guy that's not in shape vs someone that works out?

This 99% of the time, but be wary of outliers

Case in point (thumbnail)

My personal ranking would be in this order:

1. Gym, especifically a lean body like the one posted a few messages up in this thread
2. Overall style: clothes, haircut, facial hair, accesories...
3. Income/Money in english speaking countries // Language in countries with low levels of english

I feel like language should be higher tbh but that's just my opinion

 

[younglivinglife]

How many years would it take to get a body like that? How many days a week should you lift weights?

Not more than 2 years 3x a week.

Keep it simple stupid

 

[younglivinglife]

Are you sure the gym is a worthwhile investment if you're geomaxxing in SEA? The gym is not a trivial investment in your appearance, it requires continuous time investment, as well as continuous calorie consumption, indefinitely.

Also, Asian women respond the least to muscular physiques relative to women of other races. Judging by the men they're dating here in the US, it's clearly not a priority. They're the polar opposite of black women in this respect.

Muscles in Asia are seen as the same as tattoos, at worst they're seen as either an indicator of criminality or at best, of inferior social status.

Everything I've read about geomaxxing indicates that learning the local language is the single most important factor in being a successful geomaxxer.

Even stylemaxxing, which only requires a minimal investment of time and money, would probably get you further than having an impressive physique.

Language and gym are both important. Language is more

 

[younglivinglife]

My personal ranking would be in this order:

1. Gym, especifically a lean body like the one posted a few messages up in this thread
2. Overall style: clothes, haircut, facial hair, accesories...
3. Income/Money in english speaking countries // Language in countries with low levels of english

Dont forget learnign culture if you are in foreing country or language

 

[younglivinglife]

Definitely. In Aus if you’re tall this can raise you from a 5 to a 9. If you’re short this raises you from a 4 to a 5

Yeah Australia unfortunately has a lot of competiton, but you are fortunate to be in South East Asia and high earning country. ALWAYS be grateful and look outside of the box, so many filipinos would love to move to Australia for salaries

 

[younglivinglife]

Are you sure the gym is a worthwhile investment if you're geomaxxing in SEA? The gym is not a trivial investment in your appearance, it requires continuous time investment, as well as continuous calorie consumption, indefinitely.

Also, Asian women respond the least to muscular physiques relative to women of other races. Judging by the men they're dating here in the US, it's clearly not a priority. They're the polar opposite of black women in this respect.

Muscles in Asia are seen as the same as tattoos, at worst they're seen as either an indicator of criminality or at best, of inferior social status.

Everything I've read about geomaxxing indicates that learning the local language is the single most important factor in being a successful geomaxxer.

Even stylemaxxing, which only requires a minimal investment of time and money, would probably get you further than having an impressive physique.

I don't believe this theory, getting in shape is always a positive indicator of taking care of yourself

 

[younglivinglife]

Gym is worthwhile irrespective of women, a net positive for your health if you don't freak out and start taking roids and just eat healthier next to it. There is no downside

It might raise you 0.5 point in SMV if you leanmaxx with tone like @ExcuseMe said above, but as you know and should be the basis, no gym for your face (except if you have good bone structure underneath the fat on your face and can get your bodyfat% down, then it might be like a ~2 point bump)

But that shouldn't be part of your decision, just go to the gym and work out, eat healthier, then feel better during the day. It's not that deep

So many people have a good face but high bodyfat, I feel like it helps way more but only if face is good already

 

[younglivinglife]

My personal ranking would be in this order:

1. Gym, especifically a lean body like the one posted a few messages up in this thread
2. Overall style: clothes, haircut, facial hair, accesories...
3. Income/Money in english speaking countries // Language in countries with low levels of english

I woudnt skip out on language, puts you way further than foreigners who come and go

 

[bateman]

I woudnt skip out on language, puts you way further than foreigners who come and go

If language was a big factor they'd just fuck the local guys.

Looks > All

 

[ExcuseMe]

If language was a big factor they'd just fuck the local guys.

Looks > All

the point is not that speaking a language makes you sexy
it's that a big language barrier is usually a deal-breaker

 

[14passport]

Not more than 2 years 3x a week.

Keep it simple stupid

that's way too long, you can get similar body in terms of dating results in less than 6 to 12 months (assuming you aren't very fat)

 

[14passport]

If language was a big factor they'd just fuck the local guys.

Looks > All

it depends tbh, take china for example there might be 100 girls willing to fuck a foreigner but only 3 end up doing it because the rest don't speak english or dont feel confident about their english

it's more about unlocking a much bigger dating pool, of course language by itself wont allow you to fuck models just because you speak their language but it unlocks unlimited amount of women that have never been with foreigners

especially important in countries with low levels of english such as east asia or latin america

 

[bateman]

it depends tbh, take china for example there might be 100 girls willing to fuck a foreigner but only 3 end up doing it because the rest don't speak english or dont feel confident about their english

it's more about unlocking a much bigger dating pool, of course language by itself wont allow you to fuck models just because you speak their language but it unlocks unlimited amount of women that have never been with foreigners

especially important in countries with low levels of english such as east asia or latin america

the point is not that speaking a language makes you sexy
it's that a big language barrier is usually a deal-breaker

You guys are right if you're looking for an LTR. I'm primarily looking for hookups and if a girl's down to fuck you don't need to speak a single word of her language.

 

[14passport]

You guys are right if you're looking for an LTR. I'm primarily looking for hookups and if a girl's down to fuck you don't need to speak a single word of her language.

many girls would be down to fuck with you if you speak their language and can have a date with you vs not even considering it because they would need to use google translate

 

[geneblackman]

I'm not really convinced that money is a massive SMV booster but if you're sub 5 you'll need money to get ANYTHING. I hardly ever get asked about my job (I don't work) and if I do I just tell them I don't make a lot of money and that hasn't been a deterrent yet.

 

[14passport]

I'm not really convinced that money is a massive SMV booster but if you're sub 5 you'll need money to get ANYTHING. I hardly ever get asked about my job (I don't work) and if I do I just tell them I don't make a lot of money and that hasn't been a deterrent yet.

money is a must to geomaxx longterm and used in a smart way can boost your SMV +1 (while not being a betabuxxer)

 

[ExcuseMe]

You guys are right if you're looking for an LTR. I'm primarily looking for hookups and if a girl's down to fuck you don't need to speak a single word of her language.

in theory maybe, by in practice you're going to have a much bigger pool for hookups if you can hold some conversation, build rapport and trust, make jokes etc. rather than playing mute caveman game

 

[younglivinglife]

that's way too long, you can get similar body in terms of dating results in less than 6 to 12 months (assuming you aren't very fat)

Im saying starting from scratch. Depends how often you work out but it isn't a lot of work.

I'm not really convinced that money is a massive SMV booster but if you're sub 5 you'll need money to get ANYTHING. I hardly ever get asked about my job (I don't work) and if I do I just tell them I don't make a lot of money and that hasn't been a deterrent yet.

It's not a smv booster but some girls only look for money. Ignore it for LTR. My current gf would still stay if I had $5 in Bank account
Now that's a keeper

Money just goes good way to travel that's why I said 1k a month for a start to not live in hostels.

Dating and making 30k is overrated in south east Asia.

 

[younglivinglife]

If language was a big factor they'd just fuck the local guys.

Looks > All

Most do. That's exactly my point.

 

[younglivinglife]

the point is not that speaking a language makes you sexy
it's that a big language barrier is usually a deal-breaker

It does make you stand out from tourist.

 

[younglivinglife]

If language was a big factor they'd just fuck the local guys.

Looks > All

Not challenging but have you been to South East Asia recently?

The travels would really change your mindset

 

[Rance]

#1 will not raise your SMV much in Asia. Unless you're fat and losing weight, in which case it will pay boatloads

#2 I'm confused as to how it affects SMV at all. Are you implying that portraying the image of a business owner will raise your SMV? It's possible. Has nothing to do with the income though

#3 is the bronze rule as always, looks > status > game ("speaking skills") > money, LSGM

 

[younglivinglife]

#1 will not raise your SMV much in Asia. Unless you're fat and losing weight, in which case it will pay boatloads

#2 I'm confused as to how it affects SMV at all. Are you implying that portraying the image of a business owner will raise your SMV? It's possible. Has nothing to do with the income though

#3 is the bronze rule as always, looks > status > game ("speaking skills") > money, LSGM

1. Works definitely regardless anywhere
2. This is so you can travel overall and give you more possibilities
3. .

 

[F_Wilks]

#1 will not raise your SMV much in Asia. Unless you're fat and losing weight, in which case it will pay boatloads

#2 I'm confused as to how it affects SMV at all. Are you implying that portraying the image of a business owner will raise your SMV? It's possible. Has nothing to do with the income though

#3 is the bronze rule as always, looks > status > game ("speaking skills") > money, LSGM

Not disagreeing with you so much as just expand on the money aspect, everything I've read about Asia indicates money matters much more than in the West, and in southeast Asia in particular, the extreme poverty means money is of even greater importance, so the lack of it can become an insurmountable obstacle to dating women above a certain threshold of attractiveness.

Thailand would be the most extreme example of this, whereas Japan would be the opposite end of the spectrum because it's the most developed nation in Asia. Chinese people in particular are known for being obsessed with money and status, it's something that's been a core of their cultural identity for centuries.

I know a guy here in America who works as house painter, making less than $40k a year. He's a convicted felon who dropped out of High School and got fired from his previous job for assaulting his supervisor. He once told me a story about a time he was arrested for running down the middle of a highway completely naked.

Last I knew of him, he was engaged to woman who's family lives in a literal mansion. The only thing that he and her have in common is that they're both very good looking. Her family clearly doesn't care who she marries as long as she's "happy", which would never happen in Asia, and certainly not amongst Chinese.

I think the priority ranking of "Looks, status, game, money" changes for each country.

 

[Yuezhi]

When people talk about "muscular physiques", they often imagine professional bodybuilders or "fitness influencers", which are all on steroids, even if they don't admit it.
if you're natural, and you stay lean, it's really difficult to get so big it becomes a failo.

like let's say this type of body would be considered ideal:
View attachment 11657
it's not "big", but for sure requires a dedicated muscle-building routine. you don't look like this from just dieting down and doing a few crunches.

This, and I agree that a natural look won't be as much of a failo in Asia if at all at least in China.

Plus steroids have all sorts of negative side effects not to metion that they will physically age you. Even creatine can harm your kidneys if you abuse it too much and dont consume enough water.

 

[younglivinglife]

Not disagreeing with you so much as just expand on the money aspect, everything I've read about Asia indicates money matters much more than in the West, and in southeast Asia in particular, the extreme poverty means money is of even greater importance, so the lack of it can become an insurmountable obstacle to dating women above a certain threshold of attractiveness.

Thailand would be the most extreme example of this, whereas Japan would be the opposite end of the spectrum because it's the most developed nation in Asia. Chinese people in particular are known for being obsessed with money and status, it's something that's been a core of their cultural identity for centuries.

I know a guy here in America who works as house painter, making less than $40k a year. He's a convicted felon who dropped out of High School and got fired from his previous job for assaulting his supervisor. He once told me a story about a time he was arrested for running down the middle of a highway completely naked.

Last I knew of him, he was engaged to woman who's family lives in a literal mansion. The only thing that he and her have in common is that they're both very good looking. Her family clearly doesn't care who she marries as long as she's "happy", which would never happen in Asia, and certainly not amongst Chinese.

I think the priority ranking of "Looks, status, game, money" changes for each country.

That's not type of partner you should settle down with. Many these guys date girls dating as afam hunters
If they made true effort they would probably get a girl that would love them if he slept in trash can which true love is.

Everyone thinks of money in Asia cause that's the partners that are available to them

 

[Rance]

Not disagreeing with you so much as just expand on the money aspect, everything I've read about Asia indicates money matters much more than in the West, and in southeast Asia in particular, the extreme poverty means money is of even greater importance, so the lack of it can become an insurmountable obstacle to dating women above a certain threshold of attractiveness.

Thailand would be the most extreme example of this, whereas Japan would be the opposite end of the spectrum because it's the most developed nation in Asia. Chinese people in particular are known for being obsessed with money and status, it's something that's been a core of their cultural identity for centuries.

I know a guy here in America who works as house painter, making less than $40k a year. He's a convicted felon who dropped out of High School and got fired from his previous job for assaulting his supervisor. He once told me a story about a time he was arrested for running down the middle of a highway completely naked.

Last I knew of him, he was engaged to woman who's family lives in a literal mansion. The only thing that he and her have in common is that they're both very good looking. Her family clearly doesn't care who she marries as long as she's "happy", which would never happen in Asia, and certainly not amongst Chinese.

I think the priority ranking of "Looks, status, game, money" changes for each country.

Maybe we're talking past each other with respect to what SMV means. I'm defining SMV just in terms of sexual opportunity, what builds genuine attraction in sexual contexts, what makes women want to sleep with you and want to date you on an emotional level.

There's no doubt that money is probably the single most important factor for long-term relationships and marriage. If you're a brokie, she probably ain't going to stay with you for very long.

It's also the crux of the old "alpha fucks beta bucks", a typical woman's rap sheet will involve sleeping, dating, and loving several good-looking and high-status men (at varying levels of wealth), and then long-term dating a well-situated man with money (who may or may not be genuinely attractive)

 

[geneblackman]

and certainly not amongst Chinese.

It does happen and it currently is

 

[Xavist]

Not disagreeing with you so much as just expand on the money aspect, everything I've read about Asia indicates money matters much more than in the West, and in southeast Asia in particular, the extreme poverty means money is of even greater importance, so the lack of it can become an insurmountable obstacle to dating women above a certain threshold of attractiveness.

Thailand would be the most extreme example of this, whereas Japan would be the opposite end of the spectrum because it's the most developed nation in Asia. Chinese people in particular are known for being obsessed with money and status, it's something that's been a core of their cultural identity for centuries.

I know a guy here in America who works as house painter, making less than $40k a year. He's a convicted felon who dropped out of High School and got fired from his previous job for assaulting his supervisor. He once told me a story about a time he was arrested for running down the middle of a highway completely naked.

Last I knew of him, he was engaged to woman who's family lives in a literal mansion. The only thing that he and her have in common is that they're both very good looking. Her family clearly doesn't care who she marries as long as she's "happy", which would never happen in Asia, and certainly not amongst Chinese.

I think the priority ranking of "Looks, status, game, money" changes for each country.

Are they both white?

 

[younglivinglife]

Maybe we're talking past each other with respect to what SMV means. I'm defining SMV just in terms of sexual opportunity, what builds genuine attraction in sexual contexts, what makes women want to sleep with you and want to date you on an emotional level.

There's no doubt that money is probably the single most important factor for long-term relationships and marriage. If you're a brokie, she probably ain't going to stay with you for very long.

It's also the crux of the old "alpha fucks beta bucks", a typical woman's rap sheet will involve sleeping, dating, and loving several good-looking and high-status men (at varying levels of wealth), and then long-term dating a well-situated man with money (who may or may not be genuinely attractive)

I dont believe that. But if you date south east asian girls without speaking theri language, yes money was always involved.

 

[F_Wilks]

Are they both white?

Yes, extremely. Why do you ask?

 

[F_Wilks]

It does happen and it currently is

Then explain their reputation is the biggest golddiggers in history.

 

[geneblackman]

Then explain their reputation is the biggest golddiggers in history.

If a woman isn't attracted to a guy then all she's going to want from him is money. That's any woman anywhere on Earth. Many Chinese men have low SMV. Many Chinese women are preferring to remain single with their own money if they can't get a guy they're attracted to and in many cases are turning down men with money because they're ugly.

The stereotype comes from the fact that in China to get married, both families usually pay a bride price and a dowry which are higher if the woman is good looking and younger. That, alongside the fact that Shanghai and Beijing are the equivalents to LA and NYC where materialism and superficiality are rampant which are the only two cities the western world is familiar with.

You really should get on Rednote to get an idea of what's actually going on in China since it's an app that's majority women. Things are changing crazy fast in that country.

 

[Xavist]

Yes, extremely. Why do you ask?

Just was curious if there was any kind of arbitrage going on, but I guess not then, so he must be a real mogger lol

 

[younglivinglife]

If a woman isn't attracted to a guy then all she's going to want from him is money. That's any woman anywhere on Earth. Many Chinese men have low SMV. Many Chinese women are preferring to remain single with their own money if they can't get a guy they're attracted to and in many cases are turning down men with money because they're ugly.

The stereotype comes from the fact that in China to get married, both families usually pay a bride price and a dowry which are higher if the woman is good looking and younger. That, alongside the fact that Shanghai and Beijing are the equivalents to LA and NYC where materialism and superficiality are rampant which are the only two cities the western world is familiar with.

You really should get on Rednote to get an idea of what's actually going on in China since it's an app that's majority women. Things are changing crazy fast in that country.

The standards so crazy they want money and cash

 

[F_Wilks]

Just was curious if there was any kind of arbitrage going on, but I guess not then, so he must be a real mogger lol

What do you mean by arbitrage?

 

[Xavist]

What do you mean by arbitrage?

You know, the usual stuff we discuss here like with JBW and whatnot lol