Geomax Current mood: too much to handle on Tinder (1 Viewer)

IDK, if there were a theoretically infinite number of girls then I would probably buy a subscription. But the way I see it, it's a finite resource, and the subscription just fast-tracks how quickly they match with me.

Yes, there are like 70 people who swiped right on me who are being hidden from me, but what's the value there? I will either eventually reach them through normal swiping, or I swiped left on them, in which case I do not want to speak with them anyway
you might miss girls outside of your age and location settings
but yeah you are right, if dating pool is small you are gonna end up swiping everyone within a few days
Obviously I see the logic, but idk if it plays out that way in reality. At least in areas where there's a constant influx of girls, a good 90% of your likes will linger for an eternity never to be seen. For somewhere with a small pool we shall see.
Made account in China for every platform, used Chinese phone number, etc. No VPN is required for any of the apps except Hinge. Hinge will ban you if you connect even once without VPN, it's just not usable.

All prices are in U.S. dollars and unreasonably high.
  • Tinder Gold is $20/WEEK, so over $80/month. There is a cheaper version called tinder+ but it just gives you unlimited likes, which is mostly useless
  • Tantan Premium is $23/month
  • Bumble Premium is $33/WEEK, but if you get it per month it's $16.33/week, which is about $70/month
A complete and utter meme. I would not extrapolate by weekly prices tho - I'm pretty sure there's an option to have premium for a single day on these apps. They probably mainly only exist to entice you to buy the monthly price which is usually what you want anyways.
I think my Tinder is broken in a good way because I've never even hit a daily swipe limit despite having swiped a few hundred times. And they're still mostly within 20-30km of me. It helps that my match rate is about 20%, so for every 5 girls I swipe right on about 1 swipes right on me, so I don't have to do all too much swiping. I will eventually hit that wall though and I'll let you know when.
Pretty impressive tbh - maybe usage of these apps has increased over the past few years. Or maybe 杭州 is a minor outlier due to being a tech hub.
 
I'm back on HelloTalk and volume on there is as high as ever, with one lady in her late 30s telling me she's single and wants to meet me.
I've had Chinese aunties try this with me on HT. Be careful and ask for other socials because it's possible they're either not going to be as good looking/fatter in person, are older than they say, not actually single or are fucking crazy
 
I've had Chinese aunties try this with me on HT. Be careful and ask for other socials because it's possible they're either not going to be as good looking/fatter in person, are older than they say, not actually single or are fucking crazy
one of the final pills to swallow regarding china is that an insignificant minority of females of gen z at the minimum are actually crazy/have mental problems
 
Date report

I went to this craft beer bar a couple nights ago with my coworker, then we went to KTV. I really Rance-ified him, he is a younger. lower-energy normie who expressed only some interest in the whole hyper-dating lifestyle we have. I assured him, we need to check out the local bars and understand how to use the KTV. He was in talks with a girl on a dating app and I assured him that it would pay off if we were familiar with the landscape.

Yes, it paid off! The weirdest coincidence happened. I arrived a couple minutes late to the bar while the girl I was going on a date with was already there. As soon as I got out of the taxi who do I see? My coworker with his date walking into the bar. I had a slight panic as I thought both my date and his date would thought we coordinated this in some way despite being a coincidence. It wasn't a problem.

I go in the bar and see her, she already has a beer. I order mine. Luckily I'm friends with the bar owner now and we had a nice little chat with him to break the ice. We talk for a bit in Chinese and English. On the dating app (and later WeChat) she made it sound like she knew NO Enlgish, but surprise, that wasn't true. About 80% of our conversation throughout the night was in English, and it was just fine.

Spend maybe an hour and a half at the bar and we go out to get cigarettes. We smoke a bit then I guide her to the KTV. We spend like 3 hours at the KTV singing Chinese, English, and Japanese songs. Great time. Her job is actually a "talent" job for getting Japanese artists to perform in China which I find VERY SEXY! Anyway, as we're singing I end up making out with her and feeling her up. For those 3 hours we go in between singing songs, drinking beer, kissing, feeling each other up. It's great vibes.

Everything has built to its climax and I say something like "man, I really want to sing this (Japanese artist name) song so much but it's not on the KTV, let's go back to my place and I'll give you a great performance". I hit several different angles on bringing her to my home (which was very close in distance) but she wouldn't budge even though it was clear she wanted to. Something like "it's our first date, I know what you're doing, let's do it next time."

She took off her ring, a cheap titanium ring with a heart shape on it, and gave it to me. Then we went outside, smoked another cigarette, kissed a bit, then parted ways.

Even though this is my second date, this was far more interesting than the first date! I have two irons in the fire!

As a recap on the girls situation:
  • Girl 1: Medium-tall, elegant lady who's my age. Fits Chinese beauty standards, fairly thin, office worker, somewhat serious, slightly cross-eyed. Seems very into me, but has that catty-but-loving personality. A tsundere, if you're familiar with the term. We only held hands, but text often. English level is 7/10, good. Overall, she's a 5.5.
  • Girl 2: Quite short, Japan-loving lady who's 30 years old, so a bit older than me. Has the Xiaohongshu girl vibe... iykyk... kind of feminist presenting. Loves to drink, loves to smoke, seems like a party girl. Sucked each other's tongues but didn't fuck. English level is 5/10, barely passable for English-only conversations. Overall, she's a 5.

@Orientalist Brother, you are definitely going to follow in my footsteps in the coming weeks. Keep us updated on what you're doing and I'll give you advice as best I can. Bread and butter of the whole operation is 1) understanding the local nightlife landscape and 2) slamming the dating apps as hard and fast as you can. Honestly, it's the same formula as when I was in Japan.

Edit: She also knew this really obscure Japanese band that I go crazy over, which freaked me out. Not only that, she worked with them. They wrote the song I wanted to sing on karaoke but didn't have it, which was my opener to invite her to my home.
 
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I haven't been on Tinder for a while, but years ago they would artificially push new accounts higher in the algorithm, and then after a few days you would drop down to your real Elo. they're probably still doing that.
Yup I think my account got banned because I was recreating it too often. I'm positive these days Tinder is just heavily pay to play.
 
Just went through a whole day of Tinder swipes with NO matches. Something definitely changed between now and then!

Still no matches on Bumble, though about 45 people apparently swiped right on me.

Still only two matches on Tantan, two girls who are replying with those short terse messages like 是的. Yet over 70 people apparently swiped right me.

I'm back on HelloTalk and volume on there is as high as ever, with one lady in her late 30s telling me she's single and wants to meet me.

And a positive development, some girl saw one of my popular posts on xiaohongshu and reached out saying she's nearby in Nanjing, if I meet her on a weekend in a couple weeks she'll treat me to everything. Possibly sus but maybe I'll go for it.
So out of these three would wold you rank the easiest to get meetup? I assume its Tinder as there is less BS but it seems HelloTalk you get higher volume but you have to filter out and do much more work to get someone on a date? Xiaohongshu looks good, but it seems its becoming saturated with western people posting thirst traps.
 
So out of these three would wold you rank the easiest to get meetup? I assume its Tinder as there is less BS but it seems HelloTalk you get higher volume but you have to filter out and do much more work to get someone on a date? Xiaohongshu looks good, but it seems its becoming saturated with western people posting thirst traps.
It is too early to make a proper tier list but this is my initial impression:

S, "If you're not using it, you're not trying" tier: HelloTalk, Tinder

A, "Big returns but high effort" tier: Xiaohongshu

B, "Good returns, use it if you have spare time" tier: Bumble

C, skip

D, "Seems mostly useless, but use if you have a ridiculous amount of free time" tier: Tantan

F, "Useless" tier: Hinge

...

It's funny cause I just remembered the girl tonight looked at me seriously and said "you should post pictures of yourself on xiaohongshu, you will get a lot of followers". It really just might be that easy. I showed her my xiaohongshu and she said "not bad, you need more photos of you" and I asked for her xiaohongshu and she briefly showed me but refused to give me her account id... lol, totally nailed her as a xiaohongshu girl. Probably going to tell all the sisters about the date and ask if I'm a red flag or something.

Do not worry about the work required for HelloTalk. Yes, it's not quite as simple as something like Tinder. But the extra effort is well worth it and has its own rewards, including language gains. HelloTalk is not a gacha machine that spits out pussy, it's more like taking a university course with exams where the number of pussy you get is your final grade divided by 20.
 
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Date report

I went to this craft beer bar a couple nights ago with my coworker, then we went to KTV. I really Rance-ified him, he is a younger. lower-energy normie who expressed only some interest in the whole hyper-dating lifestyle we have. I assured him, we need to check out the local bars and understand how to use the KTV. He was in talks with a girl on a dating app and I assured him that it would pay off if we were familiar with the landscape.

Yes, it paid off! The weirdest coincidence happened. I arrived a couple minutes late to the bar while the girl I was going on a date with was already there. As soon as I got out of the taxi who do I see? My coworker with his date walking into the bar. I had a slight panic as I thought both my date and his date would thought we coordinated this in some way despite being a coincidence. It wasn't a problem.

I go in the bar and see her, she already has a beer. I order mine. Luckily I'm friends with the bar owner now and we had a nice little chat with him to break the ice. We talk for a bit in Chinese and English. On the dating app (and later WeChat) she made it sound like she knew NO Enlgish, but surprise, that wasn't true. About 80% of our conversation throughout the night was in English, and it was just fine.

Spend maybe an hour and a half at the bar and we go out to get cigarettes. We smoke a bit then I guide her to the KTV. We spend like 3 hours at the KTV singing Chinese, English, and Japanese songs. Great time. Her job is actually a "talent" job for getting Japanese artists to perform in China which I find VERY SEXY! Anyway, as we're singing I end up making out with her and feeling her up. For those 3 hours we go in between singing songs, drinking beer, kissing, feeling each other up. It's great vibes.

Everything has built to its climax and I say something like "man, I really want to sing this (Japanese artist name) song so much but it's not on the KTV, let's go back to my place and I'll give you a great performance". I hit several different angles on bringing her to my home (which was very close in distance) but she wouldn't budge even though it was clear she wanted to. Something like "it's our first date, I know what you're doing, let's do it next time."

She took off her ring, a cheap titanium ring with a heart shape on it, and gave it to me. Then we went outside, smoked another cigarette, kissed a bit, then parted ways.

Even though this is my second date, this was far more interesting than the first date! I have two irons in the fire!

As a recap on the girls situation:
  • Girl 1: Medium-tall, elegant lady who's my age. Fits Chinese beauty standards, fairly thin, office worker, somewhat serious, slightly cross-eyed. Seems very into me, but has that catty-but-loving personality. A tsundere, if you're familiar with the term. We only held hands, but text often. English level is 7/10, good. Overall, she's a 5.5.
  • Girl 2: Quite short, Japan-loving lady who's 30 years old, so a bit older than me. Has the Xiaohongshu girl vibe... iykyk... kind of feminist presenting. Loves to drink, loves to smoke, seems like a party girl. Sucked each other's tongues but didn't fuck. English level is 5/10, barely passable for English-only conversations. Overall, she's a 5.

@Orientalist Brother, you are definitely going to follow in my footsteps in the coming weeks. Keep us updated on what you're doing and I'll give you advice as best I can. Bread and butter of the whole operation is 1) understanding the local nightlife landscape and 2) slamming the dating apps as hard and fast as you can. Honestly, it's the same formula as when I was in Japan.

Edit: She also knew this really obscure Japanese band that I go crazy over, which freaked me out. Not only that, she worked with them. They wrote the song I wanted to sing on karaoke but didn't have it, which was my opener to invite her to my home.
It is too early to make a proper tier list but this is my initial impression:

S, "If you're not using it, you're not trying" tier: HelloTalk, Tinder

A, "Big returns but high effort" tier: Xiaohongshu

B, "Good returns, use it if you have spare time" tier: Bumble

C, skip

D, "Seems mostly useless, but use if you have a ridiculous amount of free time" tier: Tantan

F, "Useless" tier: Hinge

...

It's funny cause I just remembered the girl tonight looked at me seriously and said "you should post pictures of yourself on xiaohongshu, you will get a lot of followers". It really just might be that easy. I showed her my xiaohongshu and she said "not bad, you need more photos of you" and I asked for her xiaohongshu and she briefly showed me but refused to give me her account id... lol, totally nailed her as a xiaohongshu girl. Probably going to tell all the sisters about the date and ask if I'm a red flag or something.

Do not worry about the work required for HelloTalk. Yes, it's not quite as simple as something like Tinder. But the extra effort is well worth it and has its own rewards, including language gains. HelloTalk is not a gacha machine that spits out pussy, it's more like taking a university course with exams where the number of pussy you get is your final grade divided by 20.
kino

guys you can try hellotalk when you have no plans to travel just to see that it works but i uninstalled it as i already went to china now (no plans in the future as they haven't extended the free visa policy yet) and do not have the female attention/validation brain worm where i need 30 unread messages at all times. it just makes me more stressed as i feel obligated to answer to everyone on there. i used it to actually practice language for a while (wow unbelievable right) but i have a steady chinese friend group i can communicate with now so i don't need hellotalk anymore

so try it to dip your toes in but you can get lost in the sauce easily and have too much shit to reply to which might be a mental drain to some (including me)

use it when you are like a month away from getting to the destination country to line up some people to meet, that's where the biggest value is for it i think.
 
one of the final pills to swallow regarding china is that an insignificant minority of females of gen z at the minimum are actually crazy/have mental problems
I noticed how bad they had gotten during my last few years there. Middle school kids were had become extremely foul mouthed and arrogant compared to when I first arrived.
 
Bread and butter of the whole operation is 1) understanding the local nightlife landscape and 2) slamming the dating apps as hard and fast as you can. Honestly, it's the same formula as when I was in Japan.
How do you achieve this tho and why is it important?
I really have no idea what my plan is yet. I've basically never even gone clubbing before tbqh but I can't imagine it's too hard if you're gl enough and can hold a basic conversation. And anything beyond a regular cocktail bar is probably not my preferred place for a date. I'll probably take things nice and slow and try to gradually absorb the aura of the city for a few weeks or some shit/refine my 普通话 before I go diving in headfirst and install all the dating apps etc.
 
So the weekend is over and I did something interesting every night. What I wrote above was Friday night, with "girl #2" who worked in the music talent industry. In total, I've had three dates this weekend, one of which was kind of an insta-date.

I am extremely hungover and tired so this post will be a little more disjointed than the rest. I may run a comb over it later but for now it's just stream of consciounsess with no editing.

Date report: Saturday

Saturday I went on a date with another girl I met on Tinder. We walked around the big lake at sunset and took some excellent photos. She explained how she lived in the UK for a couple years, and now lives in Hangzhou. But she's not from Hangzhou, so she's an "immigrant" like me. We then hit a Japanese restaurant. I have a penchant for going to Japanese places now. After eating we walked around the city, browsed a night market, then hit a bar. A very expensive bar... drinks were about 90 RMB a glass. Kind of "bespoke cocktails". One of those bars that acts classier than it really is. Really just a hole in the wall.

Anyway, the vibe I was getting from the moment I met her until now is that she wasn't really into me, and was kind of a "serious" girl. While walking around the city, I tried to hold her hand and thought I failed, tried again, and she eventually obliged. Very studious type, doesn't like to drink much, and said this was her first drink in a while. In my mind I considered it mostly over and thought, hey: she could be a good friend even if she doesn't want to hook up.

But, yet, I continued to run my game. I asked "what do you want to do after this? Hit another bar? Or we could go back to my place and sing KTV songs on my laptop, haha"... would you understand my surprise when she responded "your place? hmm... I'll think about it" ... a few moments later "yeah, let's go to your place, I just have to buy makeup remover first"
!!! From very little attraction this somehow spawned. We go to the FamilyMart, hit a taxi all the way back to my place (which is about 20 mins from the city center this way), and went inside. I showed her around my apartment, showed her the lovely loft I have with the bed overlooking the big window, kissed her, pushed her on the bed, and we fucked like animals. Then we stayed up another couple hours watching TV shows and eating takeout food I ordered. Then we fucked again. Went to bed, woke up, fucked. She didn't want to go home so we lounged around all day, kept watching TV, got more takeout, and fucked again. In total she was probably at my apartment a solid 20 hours, and we fucked four times. It was certainly an athletic experience, I got a good workout in!

This girl is not the best looking, the worst looking of all the girls I've seen. But not ugly at all, just plain, like "yep, that's a girl". She's probably a 4.5. Aged 23. I got the vibe that she was lonely, hadn't had sex for a while, was kind of a transient person, and had a fetish for white guys. I genuinely believe the reason she didn't want to leave wasn't because she was madly attracted to me, but because she just wanted someone to hold and exist in the same space as her. It's a bit sad, but I'm happy to provide my services to lonely girls who need them.

Date report: Sunday

Sunday, not a date per se. On Saturday I drank very little and went to bed quite early. And otherwise just sat around and had sex and watched TV. Therefore, I wanted to go out with my friend to our favorite local bar that we're getting chummy with. So, we go out to have dinner, then go to the bar, and start drinking. We're there being stupid laowai and just having a good time, when we see a cute girl walk in and sit at the bar. She's speaking some English with our friend, the owner (the owner is also a Chinese who speaks a little English).

Now, as I've told you before, my friend is a little younger than me, a little more normie, more innocent, more straight-laced. So he's kind of pondering with me what to do, like "uhh, there's another guy there, do you think he'll be upset if we talk to her, uhh, maybe she wants to be left alone..." I coach him thoroughly on the correct approach for this situation but he doesn't budge and doesn't end up doing it. So I get up from our table and go over to the bar to have a chat with her. The details aren't important, but basically I start talking to my friend the owner, then pivot to her in third person like "huh, who's this new girl?" and she responds to me in English very bubbly like "MY NAME IS (NAME)!!" She is quite cute, probably a 6. Reminds me of my ex but that's another story.

Anyway I rizz her a bit and invite her to come over to the laowai table for "English practice". Keep in mind that this whole time I'm trying to hook this girl up with my friend because he expressed interest in her. But god damn my friend has very little rizz, and is also slightly worse than Chinese at me, so I'm unintentionally rizzing this girl up when I'm trying to get her to like him. She's just staring at me the whole time and laughing, blushing, etc. and not even looking at him. It's awkward and a little embarrassing. She goes to the bathroom and I try to smack some sense into this guy, like dude, you have to be more forward and tease her a little, she will like you. My friend is fairly good looking like I am, it's not a physical thing. She comes back and he keeps bombing and eventually he decides to leave so he can "get up early", which I also don't understand, because we are both teachers and don't start work for a week.

I keep talking to her for a while and she is very sweet. Quite sexy. But suddenly, trouble! There's this strong looking guy who comes in and just sits at the entrance without ordering anything. It's kind of weird but not a big deal. Then he moves to the table next to us and starts staring at us. Then he actually moves to our table. I'm surprised but amused and I just ask him his name, he stares at me and says 不用!and then starts screaming at the girl and grabbing her shoulders. I didn't really do anything as it happened quite fast but the cool thing was the whole bar including the owner ran over and started grappling with the guy, in unison, and pushed him out. Then the owner said to me in English "I think she likes you, you should comfort her" so that's exactly what I did. She explains to me that the guy is not her boyfriend at all. It's just a guy who likes her, and may or may not have been her ex, I didn't catch that part. So he follows her all over the place and harasses her. He ended up stealing her scooter this night.

This story is getting needlessly long so let me cover the quick beats: I drink with the girl for like 2-3 more hours, then walk her home. I get her WeChat and Xiaohongshu. I go back to the bar and drink with the guys (and one other girl who might like me) until 6 am, then we all go home. I set up a date with crazy-ex-bf girl for TOMORROW. She texts me all the time and I think this will go well.

So, I have a date with her tomorrow, Tuesday. I also have dates lined up for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Each day is a different girl, some are second dates, some are first dates. I'll explain throughout the week as I go on the dates.

By the way, Friday is 七夕, which is essentially Chinese Valentine's Day
 
How do you achieve this tho and why is it important?
I really have no idea what my plan is yet. I've basically never even gone clubbing before tbqh but I can't imagine it's too hard if you're gl enough and can hold a basic conversation. And anything beyond a regular cocktail bar is probably not my preferred place for a date. I'll probably take things nice and slow and try to gradually absorb the aura of the city for a few weeks or some shit/refine my 普通话 before I go diving in headfirst and install all the dating apps etc.
No need to go to nightclubs. First couple weeks in China just go to bars, clubs, cafes, whatever you prefer, as many as you can. Chat up the workers and management and find a place where you personally fuck with the vibe of the place, the workers, and the patrons. This becomes your home base, or a kind of "clubhouse" for you. In my style of game, having such a home base is extremely important. Nothing gets the rizz going like walking into the bar and dapping up the owner, maybe he pours you a drink without you having to ask, you can metaphorically "kick your feet up", it's is both comforting and impressive to other people.

I was lucky enough to make a foreign friend right away to explore with me. It's better this way, but you can also do it by yourself.

Everyone's style of game is a little different. Mine is tightly logistical, like planning out a battle on a map, and to me a well-known location where I have some kind of status is like a well-fortified hill with a castle built upon it. I wouldn't want to go into battle without that, although I could, if I had to.
 
kino post yet again!

But, yet, I continued to run my game. I asked "what do you want to do after this? Hit another bar? Or we could go back to my place and sing KTV songs on my laptop, haha"... would you understand my surprise when she responded "your place? hmm... I'll think about it" ... a few moments later "yeah, let's go to your place, I just have to buy makeup remover first"
!!! From very little attraction this somehow spawned.

damn maybe i should just have been more forward with the girl i was with in china, oh well.

there are also some cool scenic areas around the west lake on the opposite side of the shopping/tourist center etc. if you follow that walkway long enough and start going up the mountain when you can, a long yet somewhat small road which follows the lake, some of the big buildings you can go up to and visit
 
damn maybe i should just have been more forward with the girl i was with in china, oh well.
You can kinda just do things to them. Just grab em by the pussy. They put up a front and all saying no sex etc etc but then the next morning asking why you didn’t use a condom while grabbing onto you while walking in malls.

And I’d say they’re so used to male worship from chinks that if you act cold to them or ignore them completely, they go crazy.
 
damn maybe i should just have been more forward with the girl i was with in china, oh well.
It doesn't feel particularly forward to me. I always throw out this line not expecting her to say yes. The typical reaction is like "haha, you're cheeky, you think I'd do that so easily, maybe next time". The intention is less to get her home and more to "plant the seed" that I'm interested in that kind of thing, and I also say it in a somewhat joking way. All of this is also why I'm pretty surprised she jumped right on it.

there are also some cool scenic areas around the west lake on the opposite side of the shopping/tourist center etc. if you follow that walkway long enough and start going up the mountain when you can, a long yet somewhat small road which follows the lake, some of the big buildings you can go up to and visit
Totally plan on checking it out. There is some famous temple up there.
 
what's your goal with all these dates? are you looking for 1 longterm girl while you live in China?
Unsure to be honest. All I know for now is that going on all these dates is a lot of fun and will give me lots of options. Most likely I'll keep doing it until I find a girl who I really click with and is very attractive, then LTR her.

Tonight's date begins in an hour, LFG
 
Date report

This is the girl I met at the bar who has the crazy stalker friend. We met near the bar tonight but didn't go to it. I didn't make any dinner reservations so we walk around for a bit and I scope out some nice Western looking place. Walk in and it's immediately apparent that it's a fancy restaurant... no matter... let's get it. We sit down and they lay out a tablecloth and light a candle, oh shit. The menu has some very expensive stuff on it, like 600-800 RMB steaks, but there are also some reasonable options in the 50-100 RMB range so we get a few of those dishes. Got some salmon, a weirdly fancy pizza, some salad, noodles, and ice cream. Came out to about 300 RMB, no sweat.

She kept talking about billiards so I ask her if she'll show me how to play. Back in Japan, I went crazy on the pool table when I was drunk, but generally I am absolutely trash, and generally also forgot how to play. We played billiards for 3 FUCKING HOURS!!! SO FUCKING BORING!!! Lights were so bright, they didn't serve alcohol, and just round after round of serious gameplay. But I took it in stride and got her to teach me as much as possible. She's very serious about it. Lots of opportunities for playful teasing and all that so it was fine.

Leaving the billiards place I was kind of iffy about whether she liked me, but I held her hand as I walked her back to her house anyway. As we were standing outside the mood, from my perspective, changed heavily. She said she didn't want to go inside because she wanted to spend more time with me, and was "so happy she met me", and wanted to see me again as soon as possible. Stood out there flirt chatting for like 20 minutes then I left. I playfully asked if she wanted me to come up to her apartment with her since it kind of seemed like she might have been aiming for that, but nope, no dice.

All of the dates I've been on have taught the same lesson: it's actually impossible to know the outcome of a date just by trying to read the "vibes". Sometimes a date goes crazy well really quickly even if it doesn't feeling like it's going to happen. All you have to do is shoot your lines and keep the date afloat. Assume the best at all times!

However, in hindsight I kind of should have known, because one of the first things she asked me when we met up was "has anyone ever told you that you're really cute?" I somehow forgot that happened until later.

This girl is the best looking of them all, like a 6 for me, has all the good beauty standard stuff. However I think many of you would rate her a 6.5 because she has a BANGER body, the big heart-shaped ass with the tiny waist and the D-cup ish tits. Really looking forward to seeing it closer up. She also has by far the least English ability of all the girls I've seen... next to none... hardly better than my Chinese. She is also the youngest, 21 years old.

Tomorrow, I have a date with girl #1 (MTB-HTB miss crossy eye). Thursday is free. Friday I have a date with the borderline LTB 4.5 girl who just wants to fuck all the time. Saturday I have a date with the MTB who works in Japan music industry. Considering all of this, I told the girl tonight that I am free Thursday or Friday, since I'm fine with canceling the date with the least attractive girl to accomodate a weekend date with her (which is also Chinese Valentine's Day, 七夕)
 
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Opened up the dating apps for the first time in a couple days and jesus christ, see post title, it really is too much to handle now. Over 30 unread messages on Tinder. I'm swiping on Bumble and about 50% are matching up. Going forward I will probably only swipe on, and interact with, girls who are like 7+. I definitely underestimated what I was capable of which is a great feeling
 
Opened up the dating apps for the first time in a couple days and jesus christ, see post title, it really is too much to handle now. Over 30 unread messages on Tinder. I'm swiping on Bumble and about 50% are matching up. Going forward I will probably only swipe on, and interact with, girls who are like 7+. I definitely underestimated what I was capable of which is a great feeling
What kind of pictures and bio do you have
 
Excellent report, thanks!

Interesting take on the vibe and going to the girl’s house after the date. It’s not always about you, but it could be for reasons we don’t even imagine (periods, ex-boyfriend still living with her, parents being at home and such).

We have the tendency to think that everything revolves around us, but sometimes it’s just about some other small things.
 
Opened up the dating apps for the first time in a couple days and jesus christ, see post title, it really is too much to handle now. Over 30 unread messages on Tinder. I'm swiping on Bumble and about 50% are matching up. Going forward I will probably only swipe on, and interact with, girls who are like 7+. I definitely underestimated what I was capable of which is a great feeling
You have the right idea making the most of it if we're to assume the pool is limited. Cuz I kind of laughed when you said "over 30 unread messages". If you're HTN/CL level SMV in a prime city like Bangkok, you're getting a good 50-100+ likes/matches a day consistently https://geomax.me/threads/hong-kong-is-easy-mode.7596/ (you're prob aware the hypergamous nature of OLD = the top profiles get the vast majority of the likes) and it's a whole other meta. Literally just spam "hi" to every girl and only then jestermaxx about something in her profile and ask for her IG ASAP, etc. Let alone having AI write a thoughtful conversation for you lol.
Likewise if you put in the work to convert properly like you are, I think 1 sex per every 30~100 matches is a pretty good metric from what I've gathered. (At least in the rest of the world that is, idk if China is somehow different but probably not)
 
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What kind of pictures and bio do you have
The photos are frankly quite good looking and cool. The first one in particular makes me look like Chadlite because I'm dripped out, and the lighting and angle makes my face just look Chaddy. Then the other photos are more realistic depictions of me doing cool things. Unfortunately, most of the cool photos I've taken were selfies with girls I was seeing, and I couldn't really crop them out without cropping out my face, so they're kind of hanging in the pictures. I haven't been asked about it yet but it's probably a slight negative.

Bumble is the only app that allows for extensive bio customization with the "prompt questions". I just wrote some cheeky lines in simple Chinese. For example "What kind of partner are you looking for?" --> "I want someone who commits little crimes like stealing beer glasses from the bar"

For the simple Tinder bio, I just wrote in Chinese something like "Hi, I'm Rance, self taught Chinese learner from America. I love Chinese rock music" or something like that

You have the right idea making the most of it if we're to assume the pool is limited. Cuz I kind of laughed when you said "over 30 unread messages". If you're HTN/CL level SMV in a prime city like Bangkok, you're getting a good 50-100+ likes/matches a day consistently https://geomax.me/threads/hong-kong-is-easy-mode.7596/ (you're prob aware the hypergamous nature of OLD = the top profiles get the vast majority of the likes) and it's a whole other meta. Literally just spam "hi" to every girl and only then jestermaxx about something in her profile and ask for her IG ASAP, etc. Let alone having AI write a thoughtful conversation for you lol.
Likewise if you put in the work to convert properly like you are, I think 1 sex per every 30~100 matches is a pretty good metric from what I've gathered. (At least in the rest of the world that is, idk if China is somehow different but probably not)
That's insane. I'm certainly not getting 50+ likes or messages a day, let alone 50 proper matches. Sounds amazing but then again there's probably some diminishing returns here, like how high can that number get before you have to spend 8 hours a day managing everything? And there's only 7 days in the week, it's not like you can go on more than 10 or so dates in that time frame.
 
That's insane. I'm certainly not getting 50+ likes or messages a day, let alone 50 proper matches. Sounds amazing but then again there's probably some diminishing returns here, like how high can that number get before you have to spend 8 hours a day managing everything? And there's only 7 days in the week, it's not like you can go on more than 10 or so dates in that time frame.
In China that's impossible as there's not enough users. In big cities with heavy dating app usage top profiles must be at 100s of likes per day.

It's just impossible to manage that many, some chad friends i know either mass message all girls very aggresively such as "are you free tonight" and play the numbers game (though that will exclude most high value girls as they usually ghost if you send something like that), or they heavily filter the best girls and have a few conversations
 
Holy shit I'm being attacked, 3 separate girls are seriously angry with me for not texting them enough. I just didn't reply for 6 hours because I was getting ready for a date and then going on a date. I texted them earlier in the day! Is this a cultural thing? Damage control is such a pain in the ass right now!

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Holy shit I'm being attacked, 3 separate girls are seriously angry with me for not texting them enough. I just didn't reply for 6 hours because I was getting ready for a date and then going on a date. I texted them earlier in the day! Is this a cultural thing? Damage control is such a pain in the ass right now!

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No idea about China but yeah some countries are a lot more controling. ie women that love kpop, go to Korea and complain about guys controling them 24/7
 
Is this a cultural thing
Yes. One accused me of ignoring her if I took an hour break from texting and another would get passive aggressive saying "sorry if I'm bothering you"

Latinas are similar but this usually happens with both groups once she has the impression that the relationship is getting serious
 
Had another date tonight with the first girl I met, finally kissed her, she drove me home in her car which was cool. But I'm going to stop giving the play-by-plays for my dates because they're not that interesting, I'll just update on the important moments like if I close a lay, something weird happens, or if I learn something profound.
 
I wonder if their clinginess is actually a sign that they're growing closer to me. If so, it's all worth it.
Yup. One girl even told me that straight up that she's a clingy girlfriend so I imagine it's similar for other Chinese women
 
Holy shit I'm being attacked, 3 separate girls are seriously angry with me for not texting them enough. I just didn't reply for 6 hours because I was getting ready for a date and then going on a date. I texted them earlier in the day! Is this a cultural thing? Damage control is such a pain in the ass right now!

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All things considered they're almost definitely interested. On Hellotalk/Rednote I know I've seen at least once or twice posts asking about something to the effect of "why do foreigners suddenly stop replying to messages instead of saying goodbye?". Obviously generalizing here with the "foreigners" thing but it says at least something. Young people in the west are definitely not the type to have a brief/unengaging conversation over text and then have the habit of being all "ok going to go walk my cat bye, I will talk to you later at 7PM" unless - you guessed it - they have a clingy enough gf
The relationship Chinese people have with their online presence/identity is a bit odd. (cf. fake PFPs and all that).
 

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