Geomax Current mood: too much to handle on Tinder (1 Viewer)

IDK, if there were a theoretically infinite number of girls then I would probably buy a subscription. But the way I see it, it's a finite resource, and the subscription just fast-tracks how quickly they match with me.

Yes, there are like 70 people who swiped right on me who are being hidden from me, but what's the value there? I will either eventually reach them through normal swiping, or I swiped left on them, in which case I do not want to speak with them anyway
you might miss girls outside of your age and location settings
but yeah you are right, if dating pool is small you are gonna end up swiping everyone within a few days
Obviously I see the logic, but idk if it plays out that way in reality. At least in areas where there's a constant influx of girls, a good 90% of your likes will linger for an eternity never to be seen. For somewhere with a small pool we shall see.
Made account in China for every platform, used Chinese phone number, etc. No VPN is required for any of the apps except Hinge. Hinge will ban you if you connect even once without VPN, it's just not usable.

All prices are in U.S. dollars and unreasonably high.
  • Tinder Gold is $20/WEEK, so over $80/month. There is a cheaper version called tinder+ but it just gives you unlimited likes, which is mostly useless
  • Tantan Premium is $23/month
  • Bumble Premium is $33/WEEK, but if you get it per month it's $16.33/week, which is about $70/month
A complete and utter meme. I would not extrapolate by weekly prices tho - I'm pretty sure there's an option to have premium for a single day on these apps. They probably mainly only exist to entice you to buy the monthly price which is usually what you want anyways.
I think my Tinder is broken in a good way because I've never even hit a daily swipe limit despite having swiped a few hundred times. And they're still mostly within 20-30km of me. It helps that my match rate is about 20%, so for every 5 girls I swipe right on about 1 swipes right on me, so I don't have to do all too much swiping. I will eventually hit that wall though and I'll let you know when.
Pretty impressive tbh - maybe usage of these apps has increased over the past few years. Or maybe 杭州 is a minor outlier due to being a tech hub.
 
I'm back on HelloTalk and volume on there is as high as ever, with one lady in her late 30s telling me she's single and wants to meet me.
I've had Chinese aunties try this with me on HT. Be careful and ask for other socials because it's possible they're either not going to be as good looking/fatter in person, are older than they say, not actually single or are fucking crazy
 
I've had Chinese aunties try this with me on HT. Be careful and ask for other socials because it's possible they're either not going to be as good looking/fatter in person, are older than they say, not actually single or are fucking crazy
one of the final pills to swallow regarding china is that an insignificant minority of females of gen z at the minimum are actually crazy/have mental problems
 
Date report

I went to this craft beer bar a couple nights ago with my coworker, then we went to KTV. I really Rance-ified him, he is a younger. lower-energy normie who expressed only some interest in the whole hyper-dating lifestyle we have. I assured him, we need to check out the local bars and understand how to use the KTV. He was in talks with a girl on a dating app and I assured him that it would pay off if we were familiar with the landscape.

Yes, it paid off! The weirdest coincidence happened. I arrived a couple minutes late to the bar while the girl I was going on a date with was already there. As soon as I got out of the taxi who do I see? My coworker with his date walking into the bar. I had a slight panic as I thought both my date and his date would thought we coordinated this in some way despite being a coincidence. It wasn't a problem.

I go in the bar and see her, she already has a beer. I order mine. Luckily I'm friends with the bar owner now and we had a nice little chat with him to break the ice. We talk for a bit in Chinese and English. On the dating app (and later WeChat) she made it sound like she knew NO Enlgish, but surprise, that wasn't true. About 80% of our conversation throughout the night was in English, and it was just fine.

Spend maybe an hour and a half at the bar and we go out to get cigarettes. We smoke a bit then I guide her to the KTV. We spend like 3 hours at the KTV singing Chinese, English, and Japanese songs. Great time. Her job is actually a "talent" job for getting Japanese artists to perform in China which I find VERY SEXY! Anyway, as we're singing I end up making out with her and feeling her up. For those 3 hours we go in between singing songs, drinking beer, kissing, feeling each other up. It's great vibes.

Everything has built to its climax and I say something like "man, I really want to sing this (Japanese artist name) song so much but it's not on the KTV, let's go back to my place and I'll give you a great performance". I hit several different angles on bringing her to my home (which was very close in distance) but she wouldn't budge even though it was clear she wanted to. Something like "it's our first date, I know what you're doing, let's do it next time."

She took off her ring, a cheap titanium ring with a heart shape on it, and gave it to me. Then we went outside, smoked another cigarette, kissed a bit, then parted ways.

Even though this is my second date, this was far more interesting than the first date! I have two irons in the fire!

As a recap on the girls situation:
  • Girl 1: Medium-tall, elegant lady who's my age. Fits Chinese beauty standards, fairly thin, office worker, somewhat serious, slightly cross-eyed. Seems very into me, but has that catty-but-loving personality. A tsundere, if you're familiar with the term. We only held hands, but text often. English level is 7/10, good. Overall, she's a 5.5.
  • Girl 2: Quite short, Japan-loving lady who's 30 years old, so a bit older than me. Has the Xiaohongshu girl vibe... iykyk... kind of feminist presenting. Loves to drink, loves to smoke, seems like a party girl. Sucked each other's tongues but didn't fuck. English level is 5/10, barely passable for English-only conversations. Overall, she's a 5.

@Orientalist Brother, you are definitely going to follow in my footsteps in the coming weeks. Keep us updated on what you're doing and I'll give you advice as best I can. Bread and butter of the whole operation is 1) understanding the local nightlife landscape and 2) slamming the dating apps as hard and fast as you can. Honestly, it's the same formula as when I was in Japan.

Edit: She also knew this really obscure Japanese band that I go crazy over, which freaked me out. Not only that, she worked with them. They wrote the song I wanted to sing on karaoke but didn't have it, which was my opener to invite her to my home.
 
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I haven't been on Tinder for a while, but years ago they would artificially push new accounts higher in the algorithm, and then after a few days you would drop down to your real Elo. they're probably still doing that.
Yup I think my account got banned because I was recreating it too often. I'm positive these days Tinder is just heavily pay to play.
 
Just went through a whole day of Tinder swipes with NO matches. Something definitely changed between now and then!

Still no matches on Bumble, though about 45 people apparently swiped right on me.

Still only two matches on Tantan, two girls who are replying with those short terse messages like 是的. Yet over 70 people apparently swiped right me.

I'm back on HelloTalk and volume on there is as high as ever, with one lady in her late 30s telling me she's single and wants to meet me.

And a positive development, some girl saw one of my popular posts on xiaohongshu and reached out saying she's nearby in Nanjing, if I meet her on a weekend in a couple weeks she'll treat me to everything. Possibly sus but maybe I'll go for it.
So out of these three would wold you rank the easiest to get meetup? I assume its Tinder as there is less BS but it seems HelloTalk you get higher volume but you have to filter out and do much more work to get someone on a date? Xiaohongshu looks good, but it seems its becoming saturated with western people posting thirst traps.
 
So out of these three would wold you rank the easiest to get meetup? I assume its Tinder as there is less BS but it seems HelloTalk you get higher volume but you have to filter out and do much more work to get someone on a date? Xiaohongshu looks good, but it seems its becoming saturated with western people posting thirst traps.
It is too early to make a proper tier list but this is my initial impression:

S, "If you're not using it, you're not trying" tier: HelloTalk, Tinder

A, "Big returns but high effort" tier: Xiaohongshu

B, "Good returns, use it if you have spare time" tier: Bumble

C, skip

D, "Seems mostly useless, but use if you have a ridiculous amount of free time" tier: Tantan

F, "Useless" tier: Hinge

...

It's funny cause I just remembered the girl tonight looked at me seriously and said "you should post pictures of yourself on xiaohongshu, you will get a lot of followers". It really just might be that easy. I showed her my xiaohongshu and she said "not bad, you need more photos of you" and I asked for her xiaohongshu and she briefly showed me but refused to give me her account id... lol, totally nailed her as a xiaohongshu girl. Probably going to tell all the sisters about the date and ask if I'm a red flag or something.

Do not worry about the work required for HelloTalk. Yes, it's not quite as simple as something like Tinder. But the extra effort is well worth it and has its own rewards, including language gains. HelloTalk is not a gacha machine that spits out pussy, it's more like taking a university course with exams where the number of pussy you get is your final grade divided by 20.
 
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Date report

I went to this craft beer bar a couple nights ago with my coworker, then we went to KTV. I really Rance-ified him, he is a younger. lower-energy normie who expressed only some interest in the whole hyper-dating lifestyle we have. I assured him, we need to check out the local bars and understand how to use the KTV. He was in talks with a girl on a dating app and I assured him that it would pay off if we were familiar with the landscape.

Yes, it paid off! The weirdest coincidence happened. I arrived a couple minutes late to the bar while the girl I was going on a date with was already there. As soon as I got out of the taxi who do I see? My coworker with his date walking into the bar. I had a slight panic as I thought both my date and his date would thought we coordinated this in some way despite being a coincidence. It wasn't a problem.

I go in the bar and see her, she already has a beer. I order mine. Luckily I'm friends with the bar owner now and we had a nice little chat with him to break the ice. We talk for a bit in Chinese and English. On the dating app (and later WeChat) she made it sound like she knew NO Enlgish, but surprise, that wasn't true. About 80% of our conversation throughout the night was in English, and it was just fine.

Spend maybe an hour and a half at the bar and we go out to get cigarettes. We smoke a bit then I guide her to the KTV. We spend like 3 hours at the KTV singing Chinese, English, and Japanese songs. Great time. Her job is actually a "talent" job for getting Japanese artists to perform in China which I find VERY SEXY! Anyway, as we're singing I end up making out with her and feeling her up. For those 3 hours we go in between singing songs, drinking beer, kissing, feeling each other up. It's great vibes.

Everything has built to its climax and I say something like "man, I really want to sing this (Japanese artist name) song so much but it's not on the KTV, let's go back to my place and I'll give you a great performance". I hit several different angles on bringing her to my home (which was very close in distance) but she wouldn't budge even though it was clear she wanted to. Something like "it's our first date, I know what you're doing, let's do it next time."

She took off her ring, a cheap titanium ring with a heart shape on it, and gave it to me. Then we went outside, smoked another cigarette, kissed a bit, then parted ways.

Even though this is my second date, this was far more interesting than the first date! I have two irons in the fire!

As a recap on the girls situation:
  • Girl 1: Medium-tall, elegant lady who's my age. Fits Chinese beauty standards, fairly thin, office worker, somewhat serious, slightly cross-eyed. Seems very into me, but has that catty-but-loving personality. A tsundere, if you're familiar with the term. We only held hands, but text often. English level is 7/10, good. Overall, she's a 5.5.
  • Girl 2: Quite short, Japan-loving lady who's 30 years old, so a bit older than me. Has the Xiaohongshu girl vibe... iykyk... kind of feminist presenting. Loves to drink, loves to smoke, seems like a party girl. Sucked each other's tongues but didn't fuck. English level is 5/10, barely passable for English-only conversations. Overall, she's a 5.

@Orientalist Brother, you are definitely going to follow in my footsteps in the coming weeks. Keep us updated on what you're doing and I'll give you advice as best I can. Bread and butter of the whole operation is 1) understanding the local nightlife landscape and 2) slamming the dating apps as hard and fast as you can. Honestly, it's the same formula as when I was in Japan.

Edit: She also knew this really obscure Japanese band that I go crazy over, which freaked me out. Not only that, she worked with them. They wrote the song I wanted to sing on karaoke but didn't have it, which was my opener to invite her to my home.
It is too early to make a proper tier list but this is my initial impression:

S, "If you're not using it, you're not trying" tier: HelloTalk, Tinder

A, "Big returns but high effort" tier: Xiaohongshu

B, "Good returns, use it if you have spare time" tier: Bumble

C, skip

D, "Seems mostly useless, but use if you have a ridiculous amount of free time" tier: Tantan

F, "Useless" tier: Hinge

...

It's funny cause I just remembered the girl tonight looked at me seriously and said "you should post pictures of yourself on xiaohongshu, you will get a lot of followers". It really just might be that easy. I showed her my xiaohongshu and she said "not bad, you need more photos of you" and I asked for her xiaohongshu and she briefly showed me but refused to give me her account id... lol, totally nailed her as a xiaohongshu girl. Probably going to tell all the sisters about the date and ask if I'm a red flag or something.

Do not worry about the work required for HelloTalk. Yes, it's not quite as simple as something like Tinder. But the extra effort is well worth it and has its own rewards, including language gains. HelloTalk is not a gacha machine that spits out pussy, it's more like taking a university course with exams where the number of pussy you get is your final grade divided by 20.
kino

guys you can try hellotalk when you have no plans to travel just to see that it works but i uninstalled it as i already went to china now (no plans in the future as they haven't extended the free visa policy yet) and do not have the female attention/validation brain worm where i need 30 unread messages at all times. it just makes me more stressed as i feel obligated to answer to everyone on there. i used it to actually practice language for a while (wow unbelievable right) but i have a steady chinese friend group i can communicate with now so i don't need hellotalk anymore

so try it to dip your toes in but you can get lost in the sauce easily and have too much shit to reply to which might be a mental drain to some (including me)

use it when you are like a month away from getting to the destination country to line up some people to meet, that's where the biggest value is for it i think.
 
one of the final pills to swallow regarding china is that an insignificant minority of females of gen z at the minimum are actually crazy/have mental problems
I noticed how bad they had gotten during my last few years there. Middle school kids were had become extremely foul mouthed and arrogant compared to when I first arrived.
 
Bread and butter of the whole operation is 1) understanding the local nightlife landscape and 2) slamming the dating apps as hard and fast as you can. Honestly, it's the same formula as when I was in Japan.
How do you achieve this tho and why is it important?
I really have no idea what my plan is yet. I've basically never even gone clubbing before tbqh but I can't imagine it's too hard if you're gl enough and can hold a basic conversation. And anything beyond a regular cocktail bar is probably not my preferred place for a date. I'll probably take things nice and slow and try to gradually absorb the aura of the city for a few weeks or some shit/refine my 普通话 before I go diving in headfirst and install all the dating apps etc.
 

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