Complaints about a location being "too western" == My value is too low to compete

[EEmaxxer]

So I have been living in Central Europe for awhile. Over time, I noticed people started moving out to more eastern (read poorer) countries, and one of the reasons/complaints is that the particular CE country they were residing has become/is "too western".

When I dive deeper, I come to the conclusion that what this really means is that their overall value is just too low to get the calibur of women they want so they have to move elsewhere where the bar is set lower. These CE countries aren't poor so what comes with having more wealth? The women value the superficials more...looks, height, ethnicity, age, social media, shallow status, flashy money, independence, etc.

If you were attractive enough to meet their superficial needs, the local women being "too western" would work out in your favor because you would be able to get laid with hotties with relative ease...and you can eventually select a hot girl who have the personalities you are looking for an LTR.

 

[Rance]

You're not wrong, but I don't think this is the "dunk" you think it is. We're all well aware that Westernization is harmful to dating prospects for economic and SMV reasons. Most of us on this site are sub-6 ish, so yeah, we're not going to be able to take advantage of hypergamy

 

[geneblackman]

My problem isn't so much physical but rather mental. A woman tried to flirt with me recently and no words came out of my mouth. This is my hell.

If I can get a good looking woman from another country who is able to look past my mental issues and actively stay engaged with me, then obviously that's where I'm going to go. I don't want to work and I don't want social status. I can really only find this in other countries

 

[ExcuseMe]

We're all well aware that Westernization is harmful to dating prospects for economic and SMV reasons.

"westernization" is the primary reason why geomaxxing works. only "westernized" women have casual sex with English-speaking foreigners. the "traditional" ones don't learn foreign languages and get married off to a local guy at age 19.

basically @EEmaxxer has it right. a lot of people confuse "westernization" with economic development.
for example look at China. it's objectively one of the least westernized countries in the world. aside from a few coastal areas (like HK and Macau) they were never colonized. they've even set up the Great Firewall specifically to avoid westernization. but there's still increasingly more hypergamy in looks. why? just look at their GDP chart over the last 30 years.
it's a natural process: people get richer, poverty becomes less of a risk, so women select for more factors than just money. it has nothing to do with some evil CIA mind control and other such copes.

 

[14passport]

So I have been living in Central Europe for awhile. Over time, I noticed people started moving out to more eastern (read poorer) countries, and one of the reasons/complaints is that the particular CE country they were residing has become/is "too western".

When I dive deeper, I come to the conclusion that what this really means is that their overall value is just too low to get the calibur of women they want so they have to move elsewhere where the bar is set lower. These CE countries aren't poor so what comes with having more wealth? The women value the superficials more...looks, height, ethnicity, age, social media, shallow status, flashy money, independence, etc.

If you were attractive enough to meet their superficial needs, the local women being "too western" would work out in your favor because you would be able to get laid with hotties with relative ease...and you can eventually select a hot girl who have the personalities you are looking for an LTR.

From my observations most people don't give a fuck about a girl being western or not western, what they really want is one or a combination of easy/attractive/submissive. If they wanted non western why would Medellin and Pattaya be some of the most visited locations? Many PPBs don't give a fuck about values, they will marry a prostitute if the girl is hot enough, betabuxxing or engage in p4p if the girl is cheap enough.

So yeah when most say that a country has become western = they can't compete anymore, or girls aren't dumb and can see all their red flags/dont want to be treated like garbage

 

[geneblackman]

From my observations most people don't give a fuck about a girl being western or not western, what they really want is one or a combination of easy/attractive/submissive. If they wanted non western why would Medellin and Pattaya be some of the most visited locations? Many PPBs don't give a fuck about values, they will marry a prostitute if the girl is hot enough, betabuxxing or engage in p4p if the girl is cheap enough.

So yeah when most say that a country has become western = they can't compete anymore, or girls aren't dumb and can see all their red flags/dont want to be treated like garbage

I think PPBs are mainly looking for total control over a woman. They want the benefits of being a Hollywood star without doing any work on themselves and would rather just throw money at a golddigger or someone who doesn't care about them

 

[Yuezhi]

The way i see it is that the more westernized a country is, the harder it is to be able to get a good quality ltr even if you are looksmatched. Women lack or start to refuse to perform domestic services such as cooking and cleaning. There is a higher propensity for them to cheat and not stay loyal cause they get influenced by media and friends encouraging them to do so. They also adopt tattoos and become more combatative due to feminism which causes girls to no longer want to be feminine and pleasant. Simping also is another factor which drives up hoeflation.

Economic development also is a big factor of course and women and men earning more money stiffens competition as the former end up no longer being as reliant on men. If a country develops a more robust social welfare system and divorce laws, then it really is over.

These are all factors and having higher smv isn't going to solve all of them even if you are a top 10% guy, just look at anglo countries where even decent looking guys can struggle to find girls that arent as good looking as them that match this criteria and can still divorce them without consequence.

 

[14passport]

The way i see it is that the more westernized a country is, the harder it is to be able to get a good quality ltr even if you are looksmatched. Women lack or start to refuse to perform domestic services such as cooking and cleaning. There is a higher propensity for them to cheat and not stay loyal cause they get influenced by media and friends encouraging them to do so. They also adopt tattoos and become more combatative due to feminism which causes girls to no longer want to be feminine and pleasant. Simping also is another factor which drives up hoeflation.

But how are those western values at all?
That's just basic education and women being independent.

Many "non western" and poor countries have some of the highest infidelity rates in the world. (Thailand often reported as #1)

The issue is many "traditional" guys are not traditional at all and ruined it for everyone else. They just want to control someone and do whatever they want.

They think being married = you can do anything to your wife
demand sex whenever you want, ask her to do all the tasks, control her financially, she can't leave you even if you become a piece of shit, cheat, become fat and ugly, be uninteresting
and in many latam countries guys are violent too

 

[BiggChungus]

no one is interested in how much you want to brag dude

 

[DeathWish188]

yeah thats exactly what it means lol

muhh theyre too westernized = they dont want me cos im low smv cuck

 

[JustGo]

Prosperity at the cost of tradition is a stereotypical Western value.

You go to the city center and see cafes with glass fronts, modernist seating, English menus, and themed decorations. A cappucino costs $3 USD or more in the local currency. The fashionable young women who stop by for their sugary drink fix all have bitchy queen attitudes. If you're not a Chad, you don't even show up on their radar.

Globohomo = globally homogenous.

 

[SM55]

"westernization" is the primary reason why geomaxxing works. only "westernized" women have casual sex with English-speaking foreigners. the "traditional" ones don't learn foreign languages and get married off to a local guy at age 19.

basically @EEmaxxer has it right. a lot of people confuse "westernization" with economic development.
for example look at China. it's objectively one of the least westernized countries in the world. aside from a few coastal areas (like HK and Macau) they were never colonized. they've even set up the Great Firewall specifically to avoid westernization. but there's still increasingly more hypergamy in looks. why? just look at their GDP chart over the last 30 years.
it's a natural process: people get richer, poverty becomes less of a risk, so women select for more factors than just money. it has nothing to do with some evil CIA mind control and other such copes.

Good point. Expanding I also think westernization is also about ideas. Idea that can be negative depending on who you ask like radical feminism, lots of pronouns, kids out of wedlock, fat acceptance, etc. To me westernization is like a symbol of individualism and freedom like ultimate freedom. Western Cultures have to many ideas floating around. Having a nice balance is nice because western culture has some good stuff, but that bad parts will impact dating. I mean if you if you have SMV is high none of this matters but average guys will feel the impact. You put some of these western ideas in women's mind and its part of the reason you see the increase of Incels and apparently Gen Z men are leaning heavily right wing. @Rance touches on a good point as well.

 

[ExcuseMe]

Good point. Expanding I also think westernization is also about ideas. Idea that can be negative depending on who you ask like radical feminism, lots of pronouns, kids out of wedlock, fat acceptance, etc. To me westernization is like a symbol of individualism and freedom like ultimate freedom. Western Cultures have to many ideas floating around. Having a nice balance is nice because western culture has some good stuff, but that bad parts will impact dating. I mean if you if you have SMV is high none of this matters but average guys will feel the impact. You put some of these western ideas in women's mind and its part of the reason you see the increase of Incels and apparently Gen Z men are leaning heavily right wing. @Rance touches on a good point as well.

Ideas follow from material conditions.
Feminism? a result of industrialization and digitization, which allowed physically weak people to be economically productive.
Individualism? a result of living in cities, where people can be de-facto anonymous so there's less direct social pressure.
Fat acceptance? a result of good economic conditions such that food is cheap.

don't you think there's a reason why those ideas arise in economically advanced societies, not in small poor farming communities?

and again look at China. it's the ultimate "non-Western" country, but after rapid economic growth you're seeing all the same changes: decreasing birthrates, more casual dating before marriage, more open talk about men's looks, increasing obesity rates etc.

 

[NomadicHedgie]

So I have been living in Central Europe for awhile. Over time, I noticed people started moving out to more eastern (read poorer) countries, and one of the reasons/complaints is that the particular CE country they were residing has become/is "too western".

When I dive deeper, I come to the conclusion that what this really means is that their overall value is just too low to get the calibur of women they want so they have to move elsewhere where the bar is set lower. These CE countries aren't poor so what comes with having more wealth? The women value the superficials more...looks, height, ethnicity, age, social media, shallow status, flashy money, independence, etc.

If you were attractive enough to meet their superficial needs, the local women being "too western" would work out in your favor because you would be able to get laid with hotties with relative ease...and you can eventually select a hot girl who have the personalities you are looking for an LTR.

I agree of course.

Where have they moved to? Belarus? Russia? Serbia?

 

[EEmaxxer]

^^^

Moldova, Ukraine (yes, even in the middle of this war), Belarus, and some Central Asian countries.