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The government has been cracking down on VPNs hard over the past couple weeks, and one of the most devastating blows has been China Mobile (1 of the 3 main mobile providers along with China Unicom and China Telecom) apparently switching to a whitelist system where only Chinese IPs are allowed to create a TCP connection with them. China Mobile is what I use, so as of right now, I literally can't use any VPN on my mobile data, which includes my US VPS-based self-hosted VLESS/Xray setup I've been using for quite a while. Thank god I stay home most of the day anyways. I've been going through Chinese Twitter and asking Qwen/Kimi which are surprisingly uncensored and trying to piece together what's going on.
Therefore, it's essentially a matter of time before every mobile provider do it, and then all Wi-fi networks do it. There's basically a clear path to VPNs totally getting patched.

As many people know, the majority of the younger generation probably uses a VPN. So it's honestly pretty depressing to imagine how closed off their society will be if VPNs as we know them get patched and literally all mainland Chinese people not able to communicate with the outside world unless they travel or get their hands on a eSIM app (since Chinese-sold phones don't have eSIMs for reasons like this, lol). You need to be increasingly tech savvy. Pretty soon, gone are the days of installing an app and having it work OOTB like it's nordvpn. And then there's the fact that the vast majority of first-world expats just here for work will probably leave.

There are a few options:
  1. Use an international eSIM. But even then this might get cooked. Anyone traveling is probably doing this already. I'm not sure how the government would go about patching this, which is why I put this option first. But if you want to work or otherwise 'start a life' in China and use most of the apps, you're gonna need a +86 phone number, and therefore you're gonna need to use one of these now-cooked SIMs. Basically every phone can only have 2 in use at a time, which is annoying if you want to also keep your number(s) from your home country in use at the same time. But yeah: many apps, tourist attractions even, captive portals, websites/mini apps, etc. etc. in China' massive digital ecosystem - more often than not are based around SMS verification codes and hard lock the country code at +86 so you're pretty fucked if you're not just willy nilly traveling. An esim based in Hong Kong is what a lot of people do, but just remember that some sites are even banned there, e.g. Tiktok and most LLMs like ChatGPT or Japan, You can use other countries like Japan or Singapore, but it might not play nice with some of the Chinese apps.
  2. Have a VPN setup with a jump server within China. Any commercial providers still around probably do this, and it's therefore part of why some commercial providers are officially shutting down, let alone not working, including LetsVPN since companies face heavy fines (it increases all the time) for doing that kind of thing. I also don't really know how to find them since a lot of the communication Mandarin Telegram groups. But there still a few VPN services still working (almost always ShadowSocks-based) but it's a constant game of whack-a-mole like it's always been, this time on meth.
  3. Some VPN protocols aren't patched yet. I'm still in the process of researching them, but the patch seems to be just on IPv4 TCP TLS connections. So people are doing IPv6-only, or UDP/Hysteria2 setups. But they could get patched any day now if they're willing to just whitelist source/destination IPs on every packet. Or maybe a few years. Maybe never. Who the fuck knows. Ride the tiger
  4. Don't move to China and therefore don't worry about this. But you can still travel here short term relatively comfortably. Brutal!
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they might patch the IPv6 thing any day now

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Patching VPNs is impossible don’t worry. There’s always a way. China would have to manufacture an entire state owned intranet to really do it. Let’s not forget the government officials need VPNs too haha.
 
Nationalized search engine, nationalized servers for Microsoft like stuff and so on. If you get what I mean.
 
Patching VPNs is impossible don’t worry. There’s always a way. China would have to manufacture an entire state owned intranet to really do it. Let’s not forget the government officials need VPNs too haha.
Idk if an intranet is totally necessary, but they're getting pretty fucking close anyways. If they control every single ISP, they inspect every single packet coming in and out of their network, inclusing jump servers/hop nodes and anything like that, where src/dst IP headers have to be unobfuscated at some part in the chain. So it's simply over for you if they blacklist anything outside China's geolocation.
 
And for the whole muh economy argument, companies can already pay the low low price of $500 USD/month for access to the outside internet (usually to do very specific things they detail in an application like using a certain app/website)
 
don't they have waves of cracking down on VPNs every few months/years, and then it mostly goes back to normal?
or is this time different?
 
don't they have waves of cracking down on VPNs every few months/years, and then it mostly goes back to normal?
or is this time different?
AFAICT the historical crackdowns have been cease & desisting commercial providers. This is an actual upgrade to the GFW
 
Brutal, that’s gonna make it super difficult for me to go to China.
But good info, thanks for posting.
On the plus side there’s gonna be less competition for dudes who stay
 
Yeah on the bright side teacher salaries will also go back up like during covid if most foreigners leave over this. Im probably still going to China but may have to make it more of a shorter term stay if this actually materializes.
 
I don’t mind not being able to access shi anyways!

You can contact me on here from now on as I’m going off the grid. Native. No more x. No more tiktok. No more ig, my feed is complete.

Oh wait I can’t access my bank accounts and emails

ITS OVER
 
Yeah on the bright side teacher salaries will also go back up like during covid if most foreigners leave over this. Im probably still going to China but may have to make it more of a shorter term stay if this actually materializes.
Honestly idk. I thought about this, but I think life just might just get more enshittified for expats with not a ton of people ragequitting in one fell swoop - certainly nothing like covid level. It's death by a thousand papercuts since there will always be workarounds along the way. VPNs aren't patched now - but I made this post because things continue to escalate, and they can be patched at literally any monent. In reality, it might take a few years for them to be totally dead
 
Alternative universe thread title:
Chinese women can now access western sites (it's *OVER*)
 
if young chinese women can't/stop using VPNs because its too hard, that will pretty much kill all the easy dates expats used to have through western dating apps

so I can see pretty much all the single expats and all the newly arrived leaving
 
if young chinese women can't/stop using VPNs because its too hard, that will pretty much kill all the easy dates expats used to have through western dating apps

so I can see pretty much all the single expats and all the newly arrived leaving
Never even thought about that yet - truly over. Guess all of us in China should get married
 
Never even thought about that yet - truly over. Guess all of us in China should get married
over if you only used dating apps

in that situation i would assume its pussy heaven if you are willing to switch it up, and learn some chinese to cold approach
 

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