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@predeterminism-posting since I asked Gemini deep research to go in-depth about it and it was kind of interesting. There are a million threads here about the importance of things like pale skin, androgyny, oblong face/V-shape jawline, bright eyes, etc.:
Tthere's a decent amount of literature out there. There's not a lot of literature on the 'advantages' of Caucasian phenotypes in East Asian beauty standards or anything though really, where attractive caucasians are compared/rated, side-by-side to attractive East asian men or whatever the case may be
To be honest though, I don't even know what to make of any of this, because I don't know which of these things are or aren't worth striving to attain as a caucasian. Maybe some of these are just cope for Asians to do the best they can looks-wise at what caucasians naturally succeed at. Different phenotypes, let alone races, different overall harmony going on; when hardmaxxing enters the picture - even under the same beauty standard - one procedure might looksmin you, while Chang comes out winning. At the end of the day you're not going to radically alter your appearance anyways. Maybe just be your authentic self.
There is something to be said about the difference in complexity between male/female and asian/caucasian faces. If you were to draw it out, asian women are probably the simplest, while caucasian males are probably the most complex in order to be considered attractive. (You see this with surgery, too - women can absolutely ascend with simple surgeries. It's basically just about looking cute and infantile - wtf are bones? This is probably a contributing factor as for why surgerymaxxing is so popular in Korea (tho obviously there are tons of other reasons.)
There's more going on in the caucasian faces; more data so to say. So it's no wonder that in Korea they gravitated towards minimalism, which is befitting of the Asian psyche I guess.
Some people (like @predeterminism) pose a pretty racist but interesting question: are asian men are literally capped at a certain looks level only achieveable by western phenos? (For asian women though, I do not agree. Go figure: people often comment on slavic women looking too masculine. Thus, WMAF is the most aesthetic pairing possible.)
For Western standards, frankly I think it's completely true. I don't know if there's ever been a single asian male in history that was legit PSL 7/8 like Cavill or Chico and would slay more in a country of white women. For East Asian standards? Well...
View attachment dad1k8lyatCI1I73.mp4
I'm caging brah
In all seriousness K-pop people are insane and probably just voted for him en masse or something so idk if this is just a meme or not.
But with that in mind, I think the Chinese ideal is the most favorable towards European phenotypes. They're generally less of a soy society and celebrities more frequently lean more masculine, have more bone mass, squarer jaws, lengthy mandibles, as well as having a larger/longer face overall rather than the babyish kpop look. The celebrities/actors obviously look pretty similar to Korean ones most of the time, but for instance Xiao Zhan or Song Wei Long have a slightly more robust look:
I'm pretty sure plenty of Koreans have the bones to look like this, but this isn't as desireable in their beauty standard and is considered more average.
Anyways tl;dr: The ideal East Asian male face has an oval outline with a small overall face size, a longer than wide proportion (no extreme width), moderately broad cheekbones that are not flat but also not too projecting, and a tapered jaw/chin that gives a graceful lower face. The profile is gently convex, thanks to a well-defined nose and adequately prominent chin.The lips are full and balanced (upper ~half to two-thirds the thickness of lower)j with the mouth making up about one-third of the nose-to-chin distance. The philtrum is on the shorter side, adding to a youthful look. The eyes are large with double lids, and the expression is softened by straight brows and lack of facial hair. Cheeks are smooth and youthful, avoiding the gaunt look that might be fashionable in the West.
Tthere's a decent amount of literature out there. There's not a lot of literature on the 'advantages' of Caucasian phenotypes in East Asian beauty standards or anything though really, where attractive caucasians are compared/rated, side-by-side to attractive East asian men or whatever the case may be
To be honest though, I don't even know what to make of any of this, because I don't know which of these things are or aren't worth striving to attain as a caucasian. Maybe some of these are just cope for Asians to do the best they can looks-wise at what caucasians naturally succeed at. Different phenotypes, let alone races, different overall harmony going on; when hardmaxxing enters the picture - even under the same beauty standard - one procedure might looksmin you, while Chang comes out winning. At the end of the day you're not going to radically alter your appearance anyways. Maybe just be your authentic self.
There is something to be said about the difference in complexity between male/female and asian/caucasian faces. If you were to draw it out, asian women are probably the simplest, while caucasian males are probably the most complex in order to be considered attractive. (You see this with surgery, too - women can absolutely ascend with simple surgeries. It's basically just about looking cute and infantile - wtf are bones? This is probably a contributing factor as for why surgerymaxxing is so popular in Korea (tho obviously there are tons of other reasons.)
There's more going on in the caucasian faces; more data so to say. So it's no wonder that in Korea they gravitated towards minimalism, which is befitting of the Asian psyche I guess.
Some people (like @predeterminism) pose a pretty racist but interesting question: are asian men are literally capped at a certain looks level only achieveable by western phenos? (For asian women though, I do not agree. Go figure: people often comment on slavic women looking too masculine. Thus, WMAF is the most aesthetic pairing possible.)
For Western standards, frankly I think it's completely true. I don't know if there's ever been a single asian male in history that was legit PSL 7/8 like Cavill or Chico and would slay more in a country of white women. For East Asian standards? Well...
View attachment dad1k8lyatCI1I73.mp4I'm caging brah
In all seriousness K-pop people are insane and probably just voted for him en masse or something so idk if this is just a meme or not.
But with that in mind, I think the Chinese ideal is the most favorable towards European phenotypes. They're generally less of a soy society and celebrities more frequently lean more masculine, have more bone mass, squarer jaws, lengthy mandibles, as well as having a larger/longer face overall rather than the babyish kpop look. The celebrities/actors obviously look pretty similar to Korean ones most of the time, but for instance Xiao Zhan or Song Wei Long have a slightly more robust look:
I'm pretty sure plenty of Koreans have the bones to look like this, but this isn't as desireable in their beauty standard and is considered more average.
Anyways tl;dr: The ideal East Asian male face has an oval outline with a small overall face size, a longer than wide proportion (no extreme width), moderately broad cheekbones that are not flat but also not too projecting, and a tapered jaw/chin that gives a graceful lower face. The profile is gently convex, thanks to a well-defined nose and adequately prominent chin.The lips are full and balanced (upper ~half to two-thirds the thickness of lower)j with the mouth making up about one-third of the nose-to-chin distance. The philtrum is on the shorter side, adding to a youthful look. The eyes are large with double lids, and the expression is softened by straight brows and lack of facial hair. Cheeks are smooth and youthful, avoiding the gaunt look that might be fashionable in the West.
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