Moving to Russia or the Baltics to find a platinum blonde wife

[ExcuseMe]

I would want my kids to possibly have light hair and blue eyes hence why I want a blonde girl.

the blue eyed gene is recessive, so it's more likely your kids will have brown eyes even if the mother has blue

 

[Yuezhi]

the blue eyed gene is recessive, so it's more likely your kids will have brown eyes even if the mother has blue

I also carry the gene since my one of my parents has them. Anyways thats what embryo selection is for

 

[Yuezhi]

You will never get fluent (lose accent) in Russian same as Russians will never get perfect English. It's basically impossible.

Yeah it would definitely be difficult but not impossible. I dont really care that much if i still have an accent or not years from now tbh as long as it isnt a negative for girls when I already look slightly foreign.

OP, you understand that having those level of income with that teaching job wouldn't be considered having real money in Moscow/Saint Pete right? Like what Slavic said you should not trust the numbers that Google search is giving you in these countries. There is A LOT of corruption and there are tons of money that are being passed around under the table. That is why I LOLed hard on the one dude that says an EE politician makes 6K/month.

I think the good thing though is that the BP ~6.5 girl that got posted is an 8 to you. I think you are capable of getting that with your income if you are really her looksmatch. You are probably gonna have to hustle but it is possible.

Even if the # of millionaires is higher its not likely to be a crazy number over 100k which some of the more liberal estimates top out at 70-100k for Moscow. If we go with that number, again not all of those are guys are making liquid cash > $4k a month and a much smaller amount are rich young chads under 40.

I used to be decent looking before I got into my late teens when I gained weight and was complimented on my looks back in high school. Ive been going to the gym for 3 years and have a bulky build currently. Ive been focusing on cutting to shed the fat this year and should be in shape in several months if i keep it up.

I mean im going for a women like that looks wise so the competition cant be that bad.

 

[Killercreep333]

Geomax to europe lol
You're gonna end up a broke incel

 

[Langelf]

Ngl reading all of this made me chuckle a few times, some copes just can't die.
Don't want to sound seething or gatekeeping by sharing personal anecdotes of interacting with slavic foids, I suggest you to simply take a look at the prices of independent prostitutes in Ukrainian and Russian capitals. This is the true indicator of women's smv in the country.

Moscow: https://xxv.ashoo.black/en/moskva (not trying to advertise anything here, it's just a well known service).
For an hour with a 5-7 in looks foid under 25 you're expected to pay from $200 to $500, with median probably around $250. You can also check how many women fit your looks criteria. 8+ are usually reserved for higher ups and are listed on some private services.
Kyiv: https://escort.vc/
This one doesn't show faces if you're not a customer but trust me they are also 5-7 in looks, no stunning beauties.
Again, an hour with a 5-7 in looks foid under 25 will cost you around $300.
Mind you, this in a city where median monthly salary is around $600-700 for people with higher education!

Show me a country where prostitutes cost this much and average women are still attainable by an average guy.

 

[DarthSand]

Ngl reading all of this made me chuckle a few times, some copes just can't die.
Don't want to sound seething or gatekeeping by sharing personal anecdotes of interacting with slavic foids, I suggest you to simply take a look at the prices of independent prostitutes in Ukrainian and Russian capitals. This is the true indicator of women's smv in the country.

Moscow: https://xxv.ashoo.black/en/moskva (not trying to advertise anything here, it's just a well known service).
For an hour with a 5-7 in looks foid under 25 you're expected to pay from $200 to $500, with median probably around $250. You can also check how many women fit your looks criteria. 8+ are usually reserved for higher ups and are listed on some private services.
Kyiv: https://escort.vc/
This one doesn't show faces if you're not a customer but trust me they are also 5-7 in looks, no stunning beauties.
Again, an hour with a 5-7 in looks foid under 25 will cost you around $300.
Mind you, this in a city where median monthly salary is around $600-700 for people with higher education!

Show me a country where prostitutes cost this much and average women are still attainable by an average guy.

Dude prostitution is illegal in Ukraine and Russia, of course it’s going to be expensive. How is that a good measure of how attainable the avg to slight above avg girl is

Btw in China it’s the same shit and also outlawed where girls can cost $100 or $200 and you don’t hear guys complaining about how hard it is there lol

 

[Langelf]

Dude prostitution is illegal in Ukraine and Russia, of course it’s going to be expensive. How is that a good measure of how attainable the avg to slight above avg girl is

Btw in China it’s the same shit and also outlawed where girls can cost $100 or $200 and you don’t hear guys complaining about how hard it is there lol

Bro, independent prostitution is not illegal in Ukraine or Russia. It's not a crime for a guy to sleep with a woman aged 18+ if he pays her money. It is an administrative charge for an independent prostitute if she gets caught sleeping with a guy that paid her, but it's only a small fine and usually no one cares about it.
It is a crime only if you try to run a brothel and don't want to share your profits with the local authorities (e.g. you need to bribe them).

Regarding China - I don't know about prostitution, but here's the deal, Chinese men are probably the worst incels in the world, there is a huge issue with educated post-wall childless foids, the male to female ratio is fucked, and women want white babies. The only reason why no one from the west complains about China is because JBW exists. In EE, there's no JBW because all your competition is also white.

But you can't stop the cope I guess.

 

[14passport]

Bro, independent prostitution is not illegal in Ukraine or Russia. It's not a crime for a guy to sleep with a woman aged 18+ if he pays her money. It is an administrative charge for an independent prostitute if she gets caught sleeping with a guy that paid her, but it's only a small fine and usually no one cares about it.
It is a crime only if you try to run a brothel and don't want to share your profits with the local authorities (e.g. you need to bribe them).

Regarding China - I don't know about prostitution, but here's the deal, Chinese men are probably the worst incels in the world, there is a huge issue with educated post-wall childless foids, the male to female ratio is fucked, and women want white babies. The only reason why no one from the west complains about China is because JBW exists. In EE, there's no JBW because all your competition is also white.

But you can't stop the cope I guess.

That's what we've been telling them but i think the main disagreement is many of them think a regular cute girl that is a 6 is actually an 8. So in that case of course you can get her for not that expensive.

 

[Slavic]

@Yuezhi So, I apologize in advance, but you're very mistaken about Slavic girls and how much they've been Westernized lately. I will add a lot of links with the Russian language, again, I did not really study the rules, my mistake @AlexBrown84 BUT

You, my dear friend, you are about to make a mistake that will cost you a life.

Firstly, According to Rosstat, the average salary is 87 thousand rubles. You can go to the regions and hear a more realistic and honest answers. That the real salary is the median one and in Russia it is 30-50 thousand rubles per month.

The situation is exactly the same with Moscow. Couriers can earn 80-150 thousand per season, but no more. I don't believe that these private schools will have that kind of money to pay for your work, considering that according to hh.ru The average salary of simple budget (sry for my english) teachers is much lower, and the headhunter indicates the salary very often before taxes. So, you see 100,000, but you'll get 60.

It already depends on the vacancy itself. But I do not know how things are in private schools, so my information here may be false.

Secondly, your question is whether you will be cheated on by 7 or higher out of ten...it sounds very naive considering the general demand for them in the relationship market. Bro, you can't imagine what TF is going on with the fertile young girls in Russia. Men of any age run after them, and we have formed a separate term for these type of guys DEER (Олень) that will run after them under any circumstances.

This female slave (Баборабское) firmware has so clouded the men in my country that now literally every man is (enlightened) As they like to call it, they stand for the men's movement, which of course refuse to aknoweledge BP and they literally each girl only a gold digger.

In order not to be unfounded, I will add links to such channels.

https://www.youtube.com/@AlmanacPsychology/videos 333k subs

https://www.youtube.com/@Mayskiy 112k subs

https://www.youtube.com/@Meganych 36k subs

https://www.youtube.com/@Sorvachev 190k subs

Look at the activity. There are literally thousands of likes and thousands of comments. More often than not, they are normies or mid tier normies, but... HOW Are you going to save the marriage when everyone dreams of getting rich Chads? We even joke about single ladies 35+ and even THEY will still only look for those whom I described above.

Thirdly, lets talk about law.

• According to Article 34 of the RF IC, all property acquired in marriage is divided in half, even if the man was the sole breadwinner.
• If a man bought a house before marriage, but made payments during the marriage, the court may recognize it as joint property.
• According to 90 of the RF IC, the ex-wife may claim alimony for herself if:
  
  1. Is she pregnant or is raising a child together under 3 years of age;
  
  2. She became disabled in her marriage;
  
  3. She reached retirement age within 5 years of her divorce.
  
  This means that a man can support not only children, but also his ex-spouse for years.
• In 90% of cases, the court leaves the children with their mother (Article 65 of the RF IC) That means she can: stop working, leading a terrible lifestyle, or living under a bridge, but you can't prove it in court.
• Strict measures to collect alimony
  A man can:
  
  1. revoke driver's license
  
  2. prohibit travel abroad
  
  3. seize accounts and property.
  Even if he is temporarily unemployed, the debt accumulates, and he may be prosecuted (Article 157 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).
• Women in Russia do not have life sentences (the maximum term is 25 years), they are not placed in strict and special regime colonies.
• There is no criminal liability for a fake child in Russia. In Russia, you cannot sue if the results of your father-in-law's DNA analysis show that the child is not yours
• And now...are you F%^cking kidding me right now?

 

[Slavic]

I sincerely believe that Russia is one of the best countries for sex tourism. If you are from the first world, you have $ 2-4 thousand dollars, then you can safely go to St. Petersburg, where the rent is significantly lower than in Moscow, and the cost of a girl for an hour will also be lower.

The average cost of sex services on one "blocked" portal in Moscow ranges from 8 to 15 thousand rubles per hour.

For 8-10 thousand, there will be a bold 6-7, sometimes even eights. For 12-15 8 and 9s, only fools will overpay higher.

But if reciprocity is important to you, like, for most people here, then I'm sure any foreigner has a solid chance of having sex. We hosted the World Cup in 2018. Many men still can't forget that shame)

However, Turks and Blacks have long known that our women are easily accessible. Therefore...based on everything above. It probably makes sense to come to Russia if you are 6 and above in appearance, you have a small amount of money...and you don't visit the regions.

Few people in our country know English as it is, and the regions are full of poor people, drunks and war veterans often return ... and it may not be the best circumstances.

To marry a Russian in 2025... God.
You can play Russian roulette if you want.

Blacks really should come to Eastern Europe, even now they are viewed as exotic. I don't know about the conversion rate, but I'm sure there are plenty of women who want to have fun with them.

Have fun, but I will personally make any possible to leave this dump)

 

[Yuezhi]

Bro, independent prostitution is not illegal in Ukraine or Russia. It's not a crime for a guy to sleep with a woman aged 18+ if he pays her money. It is an administrative charge for an independent prostitute if she gets caught sleeping with a guy that paid her, but it's only a small fine and usually no one cares about it.
It is a crime only if you try to run a brothel and don't want to share your profits with the local authorities (e.g. you need to bribe them).

Regarding China - I don't know about prostitution, but here's the deal, Chinese men are probably the worst incels in the world, there is a huge issue with educated post-wall childless foids, the male to female ratio is fucked, and women want white babies. The only reason why no one from the west complains about China is because JBW exists. In EE, there's no JBW because all your competition is also white.

But you can't stop the cope I guess.

@DarthSand has a point though the vast majority of girls are not pros so you can't really extrapolate a lot from that alone. Even then from what @Slavic says it appears you can get it for a lot cheaper if you want to use that as a basis.

Call it coping or whatever you want but you can't be surprised some of us are skeptical about it given the Russian economy with the median monthly salary being 107600 rubles or 1k usd in Moscow.

But alright enough with anecdotes as they are just that, I did a deep dive with chatgpt using liberal estimates which accounts for possible money under the table deals and underreported income. Let's see what the number is making around 5k or more as that would really be above what I'd make since we're counting ~4k salary and rent stipends of up to 1k.


I had Chatgpt assume that 80% of the top earners were men but it could be more, lets just use that for arguments sake:




I even had it account for tourists from the gulf states and wherever else:


Okay so taking the highest count, that's 419k(a very generous number) which includes mostly guys of all ages is still only 3% and definitely shouldn't stop me from getting what I want especially if she's considered a "6" by some guys though I certainly don't agree on that rating.

What really matters is if local Russians share that opinion as that would make it way easier for me on all fronts including the risk of divorce.

 

[Yuezhi]

@Yuezhi So, I apologize in advance, but you're very mistaken about Slavic girls and how much they've been Westernized lately. I will add a lot of links with the Russian language, again, I did not really study the rules, my mistake @AlexBrown84 BUT

You, my dear friend, you are about to make a mistake that will cost you a life.

Firstly, According to Rosstat, the average salary is 87 thousand rubles. You can go to the regions and hear a more realistic and honest answers. That the real salary is the median one and in Russia it is 30-50 thousand rubles per month.

The situation is exactly the same with Moscow. Couriers can earn 80-150 thousand per season, but no more. I don't believe that these private schools will have that kind of money to pay for your work, considering that according to hh.ru The average salary of simple budget (sry for my english) teachers is much lower, and the headhunter indicates the salary very often before taxes. So, you see 100,000, but you'll get 60.

It already depends on the vacancy itself. But I do not know how things are in private schools, so my information here may be false.

Secondly, your question is whether you will be cheated on by 7 or higher out of ten...it sounds very naive considering the general demand for them in the relationship market. Bro, you can't imagine what TF is going on with the fertile young girls in Russia. Men of any age run after them, and we have formed a separate term for these type of guys DEER (Олень) that will run after them under any circumstances.

This female slave (Баборабское) firmware has so clouded the men in my country that now literally every man is (enlightened) As they like to call it, they stand for the men's movement, which of course refuse to aknoweledge BP and they literally each girl only a gold digger.

In order not to be unfounded, I will add links to such channels.

https://www.youtube.com/@AlmanacPsychology/videos 333k subs

https://www.youtube.com/@Mayskiy 112k subs

https://www.youtube.com/@Meganych 36k subs

https://www.youtube.com/@Sorvachev 190k subs

Look at the activity. There are literally thousands of likes and thousands of comments. More often than not, they are normies or mid tier normies, but... HOW Are you going to save the marriage when everyone dreams of getting rich Chads? We even joke about single ladies 35+ and even THEY will still only look for those whom I described above.

Thirdly, lets talk about law.

• According to Article 34 of the RF IC, all property acquired in marriage is divided in half, even if the man was the sole breadwinner.
• If a man bought a house before marriage, but made payments during the marriage, the court may recognize it as joint property.
• According to 90 of the RF IC, the ex-wife may claim alimony for herself if:
  
  1. Is she pregnant or is raising a child together under 3 years of age;
  
  2. She became disabled in her marriage;
  
  3. She reached retirement age within 5 years of her divorce.
  
  This means that a man can support not only children, but also his ex-spouse for years.
• In 90% of cases, the court leaves the children with their mother (Article 65 of the RF IC) That means she can: stop working, leading a terrible lifestyle, or living under a bridge, but you can't prove it in court.
• Strict measures to collect alimony
  A man can:
  
  1. revoke driver's license
  
  2. prohibit travel abroad
  
  3. seize accounts and property.
  Even if he is temporarily unemployed, the debt accumulates, and he may be prosecuted (Article 157 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).
• Women in Russia do not have life sentences (the maximum term is 25 years), they are not placed in strict and special regime colonies.
• There is no criminal liability for a fake child in Russia. In Russia, you cannot sue if the results of your father-in-law's DNA analysis show that the child is not yours
• And now...are you F%^cking kidding me right now?

Look more into International schools if you're curious or if anyone else is.

International school - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

https://www.reddit.com/r/Internationalteachers/

To give you a quick summary:
Curriculums are taught in English and are usually based on British or American ones.
A lot of them use the International Baccalaureate program.

Usually teachers that are fully qualified are hired: so provincial/state teaching license from US, UK, Aus, NZ, or Canada and bachelor's degree either in the subject they want to teach or an education degree. For the better schools a master degrees and teaching experience is preferred.

The reason why TES is considered official by most teachers is its a networking and job posting site for these kinds of positions. Teachers on that reddit actively use it and some get hired from it. Additionally salaries for other school job postings in other countries lines up with other sites as well. Some of these include an analytics site where teachers submit their salaries.

International Salary Analytics for Teachers

Use real data to compare your teaching salary to global averages. Visualise trends, identify fair offers, and help flag inaccurate entries.

wonderingstaffroom.org

Unfortunately there is only 1 posting for Russia for 3300 euros a month on there but you can look at places like China with postings and compare it to them.

Heres another one but there arent any russian listings on it

International Teacher Salary

Discover The Best International Schools To Work At For You.

internationalteachersalary.com

More info on the salaries on a excel sheet where a few teachers on that reddit submitted their salaries in Russia although one of them looks off:

International School Salaries (Spreadsheet) [MASTER]

docs.google.com

Anyways there are some other reddit threads about salaries. Just ignore the other typical ww3 and muh Russia bad responses and such as it is reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Internationalteachers/comments/1c7sqdl/work_in_russian_international_schools

 

[Yuezhi]

Also I did watch some of those videos with translated captions. Not good I'll admit but it looks like some of the channels are focusing on rage bait and tik toks made by some women for attention so hopefully its not representative of what most of them are like but maybe that's more cope on my part.

Maybe I'll just date around instead and to get my fill of white women out of my system if they really are that bad at being wife material. Even if I eventually think i have found the right one to marry, I could always try taking a position in another country in SEA or china after getting married and bring my Russian wife with me on a spousal visa. This would make it harder for her to do anything drastic and I'd be out of Russia if she still wanted to divorce me so good luck getting those assets while we are abroad.

 

[Rance]

I don't think OP is delusional or coping IF his attraction to the blondes is as maniacal as he suggests. If a blonde 5 is as attractive to him as an East Asian 8, then he's probably better off in Europe

I am terrible at rating white women but I think the pig-faced "angel/elf" type in the OP is about a 5.5, which should be somewhat attainable with a degree of betabuxxing

 

[EEmaxxer]

My preference are white girls but in no world would I pick a white 5 over a legit Asian 8 any day of the week. Let’s get real.

Real Asian 8s are way more rare than a white Slavic 8. So if you want an 8 and don’t have preference, it’s actually more obtainable to get a white 8 than Asian 8 because there are simply less Asian 8s than white 8s.

 

[Yuezhi]

My preference are white girls but in no world would I pick a white 5 over a legit Asian 8 any day of the week. Let’s get real.

Real Asian 8s are way more rare than a white Slavic 8. So if you want an 8 and don’t have preference, it’s actually more obtainable to get a white 8 than Asian 8 because there are simply less Asian 8s than white 8s.

My standards for what an east asian 8 is probably also not as high as yours but between the 2 I'd prefer a less good looking blonde.
Don't get me wrong I like them as well but that's my preference.

The "pig nosed" girl i first posted is at least an 8 to me and I'm fine with going for less than that.

 

[EEmaxxer]

One of the things I like about blackpill is it standardizes the scale of female and male attractiveness. 8 is like attractiveness to the point where you can sign a real contract as a professional model like Vogue.

The good news is that it seems you are chasing a high Becky which is much more obtainable given the stats you mentioned about yourself.

 

[Breezula]

While I am not looking to get married just yet, I am curious about where the best place in Europe would be to get this when I do consider settling down eventually.
While I am still likely going to China to teach in the near future, in all honestly I would like to find a way to geomax to northeastern Europe as I specifically prefer very light to platinum blonde haired girls and would like to live in a place where I can more easily assimilate relatively in, as if we're being honest you can never really do so in East Asia outside of maybe Hong Kong or Singapore.

My kryptonite is this phenotype specifically which I'd call the angel or elf type like so:

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From my research Russia and the Baltics are the best places for this since Scandinavia is off the table for obvious reasons. Via Chatgpt and Grok, specifically north eastern Russian and Moscow seem to be the best areas to look for that exact type of girl in that country which makes sense via the proximity to Scandinavia, with the locals being historically mixed with Finnic and Baltic tribes as well as Norse settlers during the Kievan Rus era.

Russia:

Regarding income, there are some international teaching jobs in Moscow and St Petersburg and I may be able to get a position in those places with 0 to little prior experience just because some schools are very desperate given the geopolitical tensions and therefore lack of western teacher applicants. However, there are a lot of caveats with going there at least until the war ends as an American citizen.
One in particular would be the difficulty in transferring money out of the country. However I do have dual citizenship with another western country so I could apply for a visa that way to reduce the risk of living there.

I'm considering doing this after getting a couple years of experience in China just to ensure that I like teaching and am fully committed by then, plus maybe the conflict will be over by then.

I've seen salaries at the 2nd tier schools that seem to average close to 3k post tax usd equivalent in Moscow and Petersburg and schools usually cover rent and utilities but I'm not sure if that would be enough to save a decent amount with how expensive Moscow can be. I'm thinking St Petersburg could be better as there would be more girls with the phenotype that I like but I remember reading that there were more feminist and hipster types there, although still a minority. Maybe it's gotten worse since the 2010s in that regard.
I also know 0 Russian so would have to work on learning that along with Chinese which is not that conducive. I might be able to also luck out and get a position at the better schools and get more money but that often comes with an increased workload.

Another thing with Russian girls from what I understand is that a some are of the more gold diggerish type in the bigger cities and prefer a macho guy who needs to lead them 100% of the time. I have read many reports of how they can be quite manipulative and cold and you have to have very strong frame with them which is not something I'd like to deal with as I want a girl who is submissive and intelligent and is not an ice queen trying to play crazy mind games and test me most of the time(most women do test you occasionally but this is another level). Can i find girls like this in these cities?

I could also try looking in places like Tver, Pskov, Veliky Novgorod, Petrozavodsk and Murmansk while teaching in either of the biggest cities when I have time off during the summer. Problem is these places have 200-400k people so they are a bit on the smaller side and probably have less attractive women since more of them would have moved to the bigger cities.

Baltics and Belarus:

I did briefly pass through the Baltics when I was younger and do remember seeing some girls that looked like this in Latvia and Estonia and to a lesser extent Lithuania and much lesser so, Poland. Problem is those countries are supposedly more westernized but they'd be easier to live in outside of salary concerns of which subject teaching jobs pay poorly outside of the top schools for the most part which i may be able to get jobs at with some more experience. So would finding a wife material girl be more difficult in these places?

I'd try Belarus as well but not sure about teaching jobs there. Llms have also told me there are less platinum blondes there, anyone been there to confirm?

Me:

My stats by the time I would go if i delay this for a few years would likely be early 30s, 5'11, HTN+ to Chadlite since by then I'll be in shape. Im also Mediterranean looking. While I act NT for the most part, I may still slip up here and there but the cultural barrier would probably smooth that over if its still otherwise a slight issue.

Do you speak Russian ?

 

[Yuezhi]

Do you speak Russian ?

Only the alphabet and a few words that I've learned since starting this thread so practically zero as of now but i plan on learning more until I get fluent.

Have you been to Russia or the Baltic states before?

 

[Breezula]

Only the alphabet and a few words that I've learned since starting this thread so practically zero as of now but i plan on learning more until I get fluent.

Have you been to Russia or the Baltic states before?

Unfortunately I haven't I always had a big goal of slaying in Russia but I canceled my plans due to the war. I did however learn Russian to a conversational level through langauge exchange apps. It's doable given the absolutely massive amount of speakers it has, you'll always have someone to help you