Geomax is japan even worth it?

[geneblackman]

laying out some of the main problems off rip:

an insular culture, a socially distrusting people, worst english proficiency in the whole developed world and probably even worse than tier 1 chinese cities and moscow, too many social rules, massive rates of ghosting, incredibly shy and reserved (inb4 if you were chad they would open their legs on the spot)

i think as a whole they find themselves attracted to foreigners but the culture clash is too great. you have to act like you're feeding a bird in the wild where you need to be very careful and if you get too close to quick it's gone. then you have koreans/taiwanese who are more open and chinese who are extremely open

@Rance said it best in one of his posts that's always stuck with me in that japanese girls want a japanese guy in a foreigner's body. this in and of itself is a massive feat and something that rings true. sometimes even that won't work because just being a foreigner is enough to make them nervous

an anecdote i have is how a good looking friend of mine has lived in japan for years and would continuously get ghosted despite having many dates. it basically took him two years of actively trying to find a girlfriend between his work and other hobbies to find one that would stay. can many people justify this much effort?

on the otherhand, you have gaijin hunters who speak english but that's like a participation trophy.

unless you have a japanese fetish or actually live there i'm wondering if it wouldn't be better to just go elsewhere. on different forums the stories are all the same too: once you get married or have a LTR there's a big chance she'll change and become more cold

 

[Reptilian7662]

nah it's like the number one country that weebs and even non weebs in the west want to go. most people moving there are of similar age as us so of course it's gonna cause more competition. this means competition is too high compared to philippines and similar where only old retirees go to. i personally know multiple guys who want to move to japan.

 

[geneblackman]

nah it's like the number one country that weebs and even non weebs in the west want to go

that doesn't mean they'll be able to find a girlfriend or slay though

 

[14passport]

to slay as a normie it's not worth it at all

but Japan is one of the best countries in the world if you can adapt to it
one of the best quality of life, relatively cheap, no crime, excellent food, unlimited amount of things to do, cute women...

it's more of a location to move to, not that good for short term geomaxxers

 

[14passport]

that doesn't mean they'll be able to find a girlfriend or slay though

i dont think its that hard, lots of normies get a girlfriend there
what seems very hard is to slay

 

[RenaissanceMan]

I really like japanese girls style of clothing and makeup/hairs, they kinda mog koreans and chinese in my personal view since they are also shorter and less "masculine", at the same time it takes a particular kind of person to enjoy living in Japan and having to deal with all the braindead social rules. Plus since the competition is a lot higher there these days you NEED to know the language and to fashionmaxx hard to stand out from the crowd of weebs, so all in all i don't really consider japan a geomaxxing destination, you need to go there with a plan in mind and play the long term, really assimilate and learn all the social norms

If you don't even prefer japanese girls aesthetics over chinese and koreans there is really no reason to go, unless you want to enjoy the food and the landascapes/history, fucking maybe some gaijin hunters on the side

 

[RenaissanceMan]

to slay as a normie it's not worth it at all

but Japan is one of the best countries in the world if you can adapt to it
one of the best quality of life, relatively cheap, no crime, excellent food, unlimited amount of things to do, cute women...

it's more of a location to move to, not that good for short term geomaxxers

Yeah it's a super comfy country especially for ND people, it sucks that wages are very low and apart from english teaching and IT jobs it's kinda hard to relocate there. Plus if you don't know the language it's an alienating experience

 

[geneblackman]

i dont think its that hard, lots of normies get a girlfriend there
what seems very hard is to slay

im sure it's possible to eventually find a girlfriend there since many do. but what are the quality of these girls? are they leftovers, gaijin hunters, defective in some way? japan is such a rigid country that it seems like normal, monolingual japanese girls wouldn't want much to do with a guy unless he speaks japanese (not many do)

that's pretty much where my idea for this post comes into play. with way less effort it's possible to get better results with less frustrations in china, korea, and taiwan probably even singapore and hong kong if i had to guess.

i think japan is just too insular and fetishized and that many guys are wasting their time or getting stuck with bad quality

 

[geneblackman]

I really like japanese girls style of clothing and makeup/hairs, they kinda mog koreans and chinese in my personal view since they are also shorter and less "masculine", at the same time it takes a particular kind of person to enjoy living in Japan and having to deal with all the braindead social rules.

this is understandable. in this case i think japan would be worth it for people with specific tastes and goals. ironically, it seems like most of the successful jbws living in japan are on the spectrum but at the same time not weebs

Plus since the competition is a lot higher there these days you NEED to know the language and to fashionmaxx hard to stand out from the crowd of weebs, so all in all i don't really consider japan a geomaxxing destination, you need to go there with a plan in mind and play the long term, really assimilate and learn all the social norms

the weebs aren't really competition. if anything, it's easy to stand out from them but they're still giving whites a bad reputation at the same time

 

[Reptilian7662]

East Asia is just not worth it unless you're a volcel. They barely speak English and its more expensive. SEA is where the geomax value lies.

 

[Reptilian7662]

the weebs aren't really competition. if anything, it's easy to stand out from them but they're still giving whites a bad reputation at the same time

i know some weebs that want to move to japan and are htn+, anime is so normie now that they are definitely competition

 

[geneblackman]

i know some weebs that want to move to japan and are htn+, anime is so normie now that they are definitely competition

that's the thing with japanese women though. they won't care solely for looks or even height even if they're still important but they're way more difficult in other ways

 

[14passport]

im sure it's possible to eventually find a girlfriend there since many do. but what are the quality of these girls? are they leftovers, gaijin hunters, defective in some way? japan is such a rigid country that it seems like normal, monolingual japanese girls wouldn't want much to do with a guy unless he speaks japanese (not many do)

that's pretty much where my idea for this post comes into play. with way less effort it's possible to get better results with less frustrations in china, korea, and taiwan probably even singapore and hong kong if i had to guess.

i think japan is just too insular and fetishized and that many guys are wasting their time or getting stuck with bad quality

i think quality is pretty good from what ive seen, but it won't be higher than other places in east asia if that's what you're comparing it to
they do mog what you could find in SEA in terms of style, IQ, non gold diggers, education, family background...

to answer your question I don't see any big benefits unless you like Japan
there's a lot better places for quantity and for easiness of quality, as well as visas, or cost

Japan is #1 among normies everywhere in the world, so it will naturally lead to a lot of fetishzation and a loss of your edge as a geomaxxer

 

[14passport]

i also think as geomaxxers we over analyze everything and we always compare to other good locations, which gives us better results and a big edge

but normies don't have any knowledge of this, they compare it back to the west

normie likes japan
moves to japan
gets a cute japanese gf
he is living his dream life

 

[bigdaddy8763]

gemini says

Tokyo's English proficiency is generally low compared to global standards, with Japan often ranking in the "very low" category internationally, though Tokyo itself scores higher than the national average, especially in business areas, but faces systemic challenges due to education focused on exams rather than communication, leading to limited practical use despite English being a core subject. While you might find some English in tourist spots, many locals rely on translation tech due to limited real-world necessity, even as the government tries to improve skills through new tests.

yeah doesnt seem worth it, I guess for east asian TAIWAN is the best , Koreans are subhumans so nah

 

[geneblackman]

I guess for east asian TAIWAN is the best

pretty much anywhere except japan will the average geomaxer have a good effort to looksmatch to relationship quality ratio imo. in some ways koreans and taiwanese are similar to japanese but it's not even a really big deal

some norms will go to japan and find success but there really has to be some luck coming into play while if you go to china or korea then less luck is needed. anecdotally, i've even heard singapore is good

the fetishization of japs is too strong so much time is wasted there imo. all asian women strive for the cute aesthetic and take care of their appearance so it's not a japan only thing. even overweight koreans can be hot af

 

[bittersweet]

to slay as a normie it's not worth it at all

but Japan is one of the best countries in the world if you can adapt to it
one of the best quality of life, relatively cheap, no crime, excellent food, unlimited amount of things to do, cute women...

it's more of a location to move to, not that good for short term geomaxxers

how is it good long term compared to say europe. the unlimited amount of things to do is cope the whole japan so whacky shit is just set dressing that their tourism board shills. even if you had a decent job with a western salary imagine being stuck there long term say you're a 40 yo geezer wtf are you gonna do there once youth runs out lots of doors close. it's good for a quick lay but the lay there isn't quick. it is by far the worst geomax location unless ur a hardcore weeb and have disposable cash.

 

[14passport]

how is it good long term compared to say europe. the unlimited amount of things to do is cope the whole japan so whacky shit is just set dressing that their tourism board shills. even if you had a decent job with a western salary imagine being stuck there long term say you're a 40 yo geezer wtf are you gonna do there once youth runs out lots of doors close. it's good for a quick lay but the lay there isn't quick. it is by far the worst geomax location unless ur a hardcore weeb and have disposable cash.

quality of life in Japan is way higher than Europe, in Tokyo you can rent your own studio and eat out on a minimum wage salary
try doing that in Europe, if lucky you can eat out 2 days per week and rent a room

 

[bittersweet]

quality of life in Japan is way higher than Europe, in Tokyo you can rent your own studio and eat out on a minimum wage salary
try doing that in Europe, if lucky you can eat out 2 days per week and rent a room

it's all sodium slop and portionos are smaller. that's the only reason they can offer you that shit because it's smaller and eating out culture is more common. again apartments are way smaller as well a commie block might be bigger honestly. and from the sounds of it you don't have a plan for career or making decent money you know what's worse than getting old, getting old and being poor.

 

[myeyes]

unless you have a japanese fetish or actually live there i'm wondering if it wouldn't be better to just go elsewhere. on different forums the stories are all the same too: once you get married or have a LTR there's a big chance she'll change and become more cold

So many guys who move there long term end up extremely depressed and this is a big part. It’s a great country for a holiday but living there I really think it’s not worth it

 

[geneblackman]

So many guys who move there long term end up extremely depressed and this is a big part. It’s a great country for a holiday but living there I really think it’s not worth it

i could MAYBE live there under certain circumstances like if i didn't have to work and if my gf werent japanese

i don't think many asian people even want to live there long term either. it seems like many go to study or get work experience then you have others who just open businesses but stay in their own bubbles

 

[14passport]

i could MAYBE live there under certain circumstances like if i didn't have to work and if my gf werent japanese

i don't think many asian people even want to live there long term either. it seems like many go to study or get work experience then you have others who just open businesses but stay in their own bubbles

i believe it's the opposite, lots of normies would live there if they could but visas are tough to get
if japan had the equivalent of the 5 year thailand visa, there would be a 10x increase of expats there

 

[geneblackman]

i believe it's the opposite, lots of normies would live there if they could but visas are tough to get
if japan had the equivalent of the 5 year thailand visa, there would be a 10x increase of expats there

but the problem is they don't really understand what japan is truly like so how many of them would leave? they get sucked into this delusion they see on tiktok that japan is the greatest thing ever then they get mentally destroyed

 

[14passport]

but the problem is they don't really understand what japan is truly like so how many of them would leave? they get sucked into this delusion they see on tiktok that japan is the greatest thing ever then they get mentally destroyed

i agree but eventually there would be a big expat community if they open up

 

[Meeks]

I’ve spent a lot of time in Japan and I’m here now again, I could probably answer a few questions if you guys ask me. I wrote a whole thread about Japan though earlier

TLDR; you need to know Japanese to live in japan, cost of living is of the best compared to quality of life, you need to understand how to fit in a be like a Japanese to fit in here, I don’t see mainly if any interracial relationship here

 

[geneblackman]

you need to know Japanese to live in japan, you need to understand how to fit in a be like a Japanese to fit in here, I don’t see mainly if any interracial relationship here

this basically confirms my anecdotal evidence and observations. japan has to be one of the most conformist societies on earth. even if jap women are attracted to foreigners on a physical level, it would still be hard to make something last or to slay

what level do you speak japanese at?

 

[Meeks]

The Japanese girl I met in an English speaking country so my Japanese is limited hence why I know it would be impossible to stay or live here long term without Japanese as she literally has to translate everything

But ya just Japan in general has lost its interest in western things I’d say overall

Still much rather live here than China where you’re eating gutter oil and dog meat at restaurants lmfao

 

[RenaissanceMan]

The Japanese girl I met in an English speaking country so my Japanese is limited hence why I know it would be impossible to stay or live here long term without Japanese as she literally has to translate everything

But ya just Japan in general has lost its interest in western things I’d say overall

Still much rather live here than China where you’re eating gutter oil and dog meat at restaurants lmfao

I would argue western things have been losing their interest all over Asia, not only in japan, there is a general white fatigue, you can still find subsets of the population still simping western "culture" but now the mainstream is all about kpop,kdrama or national media, it's not the 90's or early 2000's when western movies and music were absolutely dominating everything. Once in a bluemoon there are some western products still making the top of asian charts like zootopia or Stranger things or Ariana Grande/Taylor Swift but even then usually western products don't really paint western white men in a very flattering light, sometimes they are not even the main "protagonist". So i guess this is a partial explanation on why JBW is getting weaker and weaker, other than the simplest explanation of demand and offer (white tourists are a lot more common in Asia than 10/20 years ago). A partial confirmation of this is that sometimes you see middle aged asians who were young during the 90's and early 2000's still very simpy toward white foreigners, while the younger generations seems more apathetic

 

[14passport]

I would argue western things have been losing their interest all over Asia, not only in japan, there is a general white fatigue, you can still find subsets of the population still simping western "culture" but now the mainstream is all about kpop,kdrama or national media, it's not the 90's or early 2000's when western movies and music were absolutely dominating everything. Once in a bluemoon there are some western products still making the top of asian charts like zootopia or Stranger things or Ariana Grande/Taylor Swift but even then usually western products don't really paint western white men in a very flattering light, sometimes they are not even the main "protagonist". So i guess this is a partial explanation on why JBW is getting weaker and weaker, other than the simplest explanation of demand and offer (white tourists are a lot more common in Asia than 10/20 years ago). A partial confirmation of this is that sometimes you see middle aged asians who were young during the 90's and early 2000's still very simpy toward white foreigners, while the younger generations seems more apathetic

western simping is very much present, while western media is not as dominant as before, its doing well absolutely everywhere, kpop is still a niche

JBW is getting weaker because normies are all over Asia now, and in huge numbers
to the point where certain areas have almost as many foreigners than locals, before you had one random white guy at a club, now you go to a club in Shibuya and half can be foreigners

how does an asian girl choose between a 100 normies? by being more picky, so now being a dorky normie doesnt cut it anymore, and you need more things going for you

 

[RenaissanceMan]

western simping is very much present, while western media is not as dominant as before, its doing well absolutely everywhere, kpop is still a niche

JBW is getting weaker because normies are all over Asia now, and in huge numbers
to the point where certain areas have almost as many foreigners than locals, before you had one random white guy at a club, now you go to a club in Shibuya and half can be foreigners

how does an asian girl choose between a 100 normies? by being more picky, so now being a dorky normie doesnt cut it anymore, and you need more things going for you

still present but declining and kpop is absolutely not a niche, at least between young girls

 

[geneblackman]

JBW is getting weaker in that not every whitoid will succeed anymore but if you're at least mtn it's still possible to get an asian looksmatch. it's basically just over for sub5s business as usual but it's not over for sub8s yet

i think kpop raised asian smv but the effect is most noticeable among ethnics at least in the US. however the ethnics and whites who simp for koreans because of kpop are both pretty bottom of the barrel if not physically, then mentally. basically the same effect that anime had

 

[myeyes]

I’ve met many Thai girls who only watch Korean or Chinese dramas and tv shows but are physically attracted to white guys.

I think generally the guys who do best in sea are Asian American guys who have parts of both

 

[geneblackman]

I’ve met many Thai girls who only watch Korean or Chinese dramas and tv shows but are physically attracted to white guys.

I think generally the guys who do best in sea are Asian American guys who have parts of both

similarly to how not every guy who watches anime is attracted to asian women. i guess some women are able to differentiate fiction from reality but people who aren't are usually mentally damaged

 

[Mafumofu]

Kpop is not real. There are very few korean men who look like that, most are absolute subhumans. The major advantage white people have over them is that we actually exist.

 

[geneblackman]

Kpop is not real. There are very few korean men who look like that, most are absolute subhumans. The major advantage white people have over them is that we actually exist.

idk man when i was on hellotalk i would see average looking korean dudes get swarmed by women of all races to the point where at one point i thought they were bots trying to get koreans to pay for vip

the question is do these women see the average korean male as a sexually viable partner or are they just using him as an object, as a sort of extension of korea as a whole?

 

[Meeks]

K-pop is definitely not a niche, kpop a k dramas are the mainstream, if you’re saying otherwise I don’t really know what to tell you. Whites still benefit though because the average K-pop or k drama guy looks more similar to an average white than an average asian

These Korean dudes be looksmaxxing hard to look like them though and are getting swarmed on HelloTalk like was mentioned. They’re literally plastic surgery, make up, style and gym maxxing

 

[14passport]

idk man when i was on hellotalk i would see average looking korean dudes get swarmed by women of all races to the point where at one point i thought they were bots trying to get koreans to pay for vip

the question is do these women see the average korean male as a sexually viable partner or are they just using him as an object, as a sort of extension of korea as a whole?

it's not very different from guys obsessed with japanese women

ive seen lots of white girl/korean guy couples here in Europe, and they seem happy, even if the girl is very often dating down in terms of looks

 

[14passport]

K-pop is definitely not a niche, kpop a k dramas are the mainstream, if you’re saying otherwise I don’t really know what to tell you. Whites still benefit though because the average K-pop or k drama guy looks more similar to an average white than an average asian

These Korean dudes be looksmaxxing hard to look like them though and are getting swarmed on HelloTalk like was mentioned. They’re literally plastic surgery, make up, style and gym maxxing

its niche, none of the big movies are korean

outside of asia its still kinda niche

 

[Mafumofu]

A lot of gaijins end up married to washed up whores 10 years their senior in dead bedroom marriages. Don't be a statistic.

 

[EEmaxxer]

Kpop is not real. There are very few korean men who look like that, most are absolute subhumans. The major advantage white people have over them is that we actually exist.

LOLZ. The insecurity is so damn high you have to tell yourself this to copemaxx. I ain't saying that KPOP/K-Drama is taking over the world or nothing like that but if you don't think it is making a dent on the dating market...GG.

 

[EEmaxxer]

K-pop is definitely not a niche, kpop a k dramas are the mainstream, if you’re saying otherwise I don’t really know what to tell you. Whites still benefit though because the average K-pop or k drama guy looks more similar to an average white than an average asian

These Korean dudes be looksmaxxing hard to look like them though and are getting swarmed on HelloTalk like was mentioned. They’re literally plastic surgery, make up, style and gym maxxing

Yah, like this dude. Not a Korean guy but the same concept. Kinda crazy where we are going with this.