Geomax Is Geomaxxing still effective in the Former USSR? Where on Earth is left where average 5-6/10 white men can still get attractive 7.5-9/10 white women?

[Kirby9986]

THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG POST! So please stick with me for the entirety of it.
I'll cut to the chase by quoting some of my previous posts that I made on Looksmaxx.org.

Here's what I said last year in one of my earlier posts:

Before I go any further, I have to admit that I sincerely regret remaining in America for so long, moving from one state to another seven years ago, instead of venturing abroad when I had the chance. I was a blithering fool! I furthermore want to make it even clearer to you all here that I don't intend on remaining average-looking for life, and if I can work my way up to being a 7/10 from being the 5-6/10, that I am now after getting leaner, that'd be great. That's why I made an account on this website in the first place. This just happens to be my first post because I got to get this out of my head while it's there. On top of this, I'm not going overseas merely for the sake of dating around and scoring. My primary goal when it comes to dating overseas is finding a wife that I can start a family with and sort of shape into being more trad as time goes on.

With all that said, l still would like to know if it's still at all probable (as anything is possible) for an average-looking white man who takes care of himself overall (i.e. has proper dieting, grooming, and is lean instead of fat, and has good fashion sense) and has stable middle-class American income to "Geomaxx" in the Former Soviet Union aka Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, and Russia and get a really attractive (7-8/10) woman there? Or have I missed the boat to be a Geomaxxing Passport Bro?

I've gotten mixed responses here on Reddit, Discord, and elsewhere about whether or not I've missed the boat to Geomaxx in Eastern Europe, specifically the Former USSR and Yugoslavia. I am at a loss of what to do, for if I have missed the boat to Geomaxx in Moldova, Serbia, Ukraine, Belarus, Bosnia or Russia, then I will just throw my arms in the air and simply die alone because I've invested a whopping decade of my life saving up money and improving my social skills in order to go abroad and get a beautiful 7-8/10 wife in one of these countries. However, if that has passed because of the U.S. domestic and international political turmoil having a trickle-down effect on my personal life, then I will sadly have nothing to look forward to beyond obviously looksmaxxing for the sake of being in better health and having a good career, which is sad since I am a Traditionalist and being Traditional means starting a family. Although as weird as this is going to sound to you all, I am a martyr for pretty much all my beliefs and causes, and that includes my standards for women (at least in the looks department, anyway).

Here's one more:

I also came across a few videos on YouTube, one of which was titled "It's Over for passport bros" by the YouTuber Thinking-Ape. In that video, he said that unlike 10-20 years ago, so many men, including U.S. Army soldiers stationed in these countries, are now off to find girls. As such, any man who wants to do so now is up against stiff competition from Army Chads & Rich guys. He then went on to talk about the effect of Globalisation, and how soon, there will not be a single spot on this Earth where I man can go to get a better woman than the one in his home country. After watching this video, his remarks sparked concern for me and got me wondering if this is true or not. Heck, not long after that, I came across a comment on a YouTube video from Conor Clyne that said and I quote:

I will say, though: I was in Gelendzhik in Summer 2021, on the Russian part of the Black Sea. And most of the hottest girls were with taller guys, and especially those who work out at least a little bit. And the guys typically had a handsome mug. So, maybe it's changing with the top of the top, the 9/10+. Of course, those guys also seemed to have $$$ and status, too. So its not like a broke handsome guy will win them over lol. It just seems they're becoming more like western girls who are 9/10+. Even if they're not exactly like them lol. Oh and by 9/10+ I mean by Eastern European standards. Even the 9's there would be a 10 in the West. Lets be real..

Now, the guy is talking hyperbole when it comes to 9s being a 10 in the West because he's referring to BMI and not the face. I've been to Eastern Europe five times, and the average face here is at the same level as the average face in the West. Don't let ANYONE delude you into thinking otherwise!

That being said, in the West, the attractive 7, 8, and 9/10 women won't go for a man with an average face regardless of whether he's fit or not because that man will lower her status, whereas a man with an attractive face will either maintain or bolster her status.

Hence, I hope that this cultural mentality that the West has hasn't yet taken over in Moldova, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia yet. I know that Lviv is a goner, that's for damn sure as I've been there several times and it's only gotten more Westernized since I went there in 2023. I would go to Latvia and even Ukraine, but if they have the mentality of "Average face = lower status", then count me out. My Aspergers + ADHD makes dating hard enough in the West. Sheesh!

Speaking of Ukraine,

Nearly 7 million of their people, mostly prime age women and children have left the country. That means 3/4ths of their fertile female population are in the EU and never to return to Ukraine.



I was told that all of the really attractive women have left. I got off the phone with a friend of mine who went to Chernihiv, and he recalled how all the hot women were gone from there and probably aren't coming back. I won't bother trying to pick up any of them in the EU because once they're here, they quickly become Westernized and their attitudes and standards for men's looks become on par with that of Western Women. Basically, you have to be a Chad or Chad-lite at bare-minimum and/or wealthy to get one of the hot model Ukrainian women whereas before the war, you didn't havve to because they weren't Westernized.

In other words, I missed the boat to Geomaxx in Ukraine because of Biden appeasing Putin and causing the war to happen!

So, what's left? Where can I go in Eastern Europe can I go where the attractive 7.5+ women aren't Westernized and as such, don't have the same demands and expectations as Western Women in terms of men's looks and where the hot women are still in their home countries?

The kind of white woman I'm looking to get is an 8/10 in looks like this:



Yes, she's EXACTLY my type. As a martyr for my standards, I won't have children with anyone who doesn't fit this criteria as I made an oath to either get a woman like this or die alone. This is why Geomaxxing for me is so damn important. Make any point you want about me, but this is my mindset. Also, keep in mind that this woman dated many average men and even married this guy:


He wasn't even a high-profile actor, but if he could pull that off, then I should be able to Geomaxx.

Now, I was invited to this site because by two of your mods as they supported me Geomaxxing. I can only think of going to the ethnic Russian majority parts of Kazakhstan to effectively Geomaxx the way I want/need to.

Pink = Ethnic Russian



I've lived in Eastern Europe before from 2021 to 2023 and now I'm back in the region this year. However, I fear that I've missed the boat to effectively Geomaxx in majority white countries, and sadly as a White American man, I'm only attracted to White Women.

After talking extensively on Reddit, I get the feeling that I'm in a pretty dire situation here when it comes to Geomaxxing. Those guys made it sound like Geomaxxing is done for unless you're rich and only want a gold digger. Of course, what made me laugh about this is that the Reddit folks were trying to paint Geomaxxing as an urban myth and those who attempt to do it are a bunch of entitled hypocrites. You can read all about it here on my latest post on Looksmaxx.org: RANT: According to folks Reddit and apparently me wanting to Geomaxx makes me some entitled hypocrite, and Geomaxxing itself is an urban myth...

Back to the original question though:

Is Geomaxxing still effective in the Former USSR? Where on Earth is left where average 5-6/10 white men can still get attractive 7-9/10 white women?

Comment below and let me know.

 

[14passport]

Where on Earth is left where average 5-6/10 white men can still get attractive 7-9/10 white women?

Nowhere on Earth, 6/10 to get a 7 easy, but a 5 to get a 9 impossible unless its with lots of money. Even in SEA or LATAM that doesn't happen at all, and it's much easier.

 

[Xavist]

THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG POST! So please stick with me for the entirety of it.
I'll cut to the chase by quoting some of my previous posts that I made on Looksmaxx.org.

Here's what I said last year in one of my earlier posts:



Here's one more:



Now, the guy is talking hyperbole when it comes to 9s being a 10 in the West because he's referring to BMI and not the face. I've been to Eastern Europe five times, and the average face here is at the same level as the average face in the West. Don't let ANYONE delude you into thinking otherwise!

That being said, in the West, the attractive 7, 8, and 9/10 women won't go for a man with an average face regardless of whether he's fit or not because that man will lower her status, whereas a man with an attractive face will either maintain or bolster her status.

Hence, I hope that this cultural mentality that the West has hasn't yet taken over in Moldova, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia yet. I know that Lviv is a goner, that's for damn sure as I've been there several times and it's only gotten more Westernized since I went there in 2023. I would go to Latvia and even Ukraine, but if they have the mentality of "Average face = lower status", then count me out. My Aspergers + ADHD makes dating hard enough in the West. Sheesh!

Speaking of Ukraine,

Nearly 7 million of their people, mostly prime age women and children have left the country. That means 3/4ths of their fertile female population are in the EU and never to return to Ukraine.

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I was told that all of the really attractive women have left. I got off the phone with a friend of mine who went to Chernihiv, and he recalled how all the hot women were gone from there and probably aren't coming back. I won't bother trying to pick up any of them in the EU because once they're here, they quickly become Westernized and their attitudes and standards for men's looks become on par with that of Western Women. Basically, you have to be a Chad or Chad-lite at bare-minimum and/or wealthy to get one of the hot model Ukrainian women whereas before the war, you didn't havve to because they weren't Westernized.

In other words, I missed the boat to Geomaxx in Ukraine because of Biden appeasing Putin and causing the war to happen!

So, what's left? Where can I go in Eastern Europe can I go where the attractive 7.5+ women aren't Westernized and as such, don't have the same demands and expectations as Western Women in terms of men's looks and where the hot women are still in their home countries?

The kind of white woman I'm looking to get is an 8/10 in looks like this:

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Yes, she's EXACTLY my type. As a martyr for my standards, I won't have children with anyone who doesn't fit this criteria as I made an oath to either get a woman like this or die alone. This is why Geomaxxing for me is so damn important. Make any point you want about me, but this is my mindset. Also, keep in mind that this woman dated many average men and even married this guy:
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He wasn't even a high-profile actor, but if he could pull that off, then I should be able to Geomaxx.

Now, I was invited to this site because by two of your mods as they supported me Geomaxxing. I can only think of going to the ethnic Russian majority parts of Kazakhstan to effectively Geomaxx the way I want/need to.

Pink = Ethnic Russian

View attachment 9885

I've lived in Eastern Europe before from 2021 to 2023 and now I'm back in the region this year. However, I fear that I've missed the boat to effectively Geomaxx in majority white countries, and sadly as a White American man, I'm only attracted to White Women.

After talking extensively on Reddit, I get the feeling that I'm in a pretty dire situation here when it comes to Geomaxxing. Those guys made it sound like Geomaxxing is done for unless you're rich and only want a gold digger. Of course, what made me laugh about this is that the Reddit folks were trying to paint Geomaxxing as an urban myth and those who attempt to do it are a bunch of entitled hypocrites. You can read all about it here on my latest post on Looksmaxx.org: RANT: According to folks Reddit and apparently me wanting to Geomaxx makes me some entitled hypocrite, and Geomaxxing itself is an urban myth...

Back to the original question though:



Comment below and let me know.

Nope, it’s done for, especially with your average stats plus being non-NT jfl
But you could still betabuxx a working class LTB-MTB range girl your age there for sure…
If you’re really lucky, she may even be thin and in the prime age range (18-25).

 

[Xavist]

Where on Earth is left where average 5-6/10 white men can still get attractive 7-9/10 white women?

Nowhere on Earth, 6/10 to get a 7 easy, but a 5 to get a 9 impossible unless its with lots of money. Even in SEA or LATAM that doesn't happen at all, and it's much easier.

Yeah, even with JBW it’s very hard or even impossible now lol

 

[Someone]

So, two things:

1. Yes, once these Ukrainian girls discovered their potential and SMV in the West, they became inaccessible. Sorry about that. Some anecdotal evidence suggests that Ukrainian women have become pickier anyway, so the war just accelerated that.

2. However, if you thoroughly do your research, the largest opportunity to geomax is still in some of these former USSR countries. I would give myself, perhaps conservatively so, a 3.75 PSL. But with a bit of leanmaxxing, fashonmaxxing and language learning (like B1 level), I could sleep with a Stacy, two Stacylites and many HTBs. It was really crazy to think that, at least in some parts of the world, men are still treated as normal human beings.

 

[Pained4ever]

It was really crazy to think that, at least in some parts of the world, men are still treated as normal human beings.

this is one of the biggest caveats to the blackpill. Most of my relatives didn't mog me at my age, yet were way more successful romantically. Shit is fucked and self-hate is extremely stupid and is essentially taking responsibility for something that really has nothing to do with you and selling yourself out in the process.

 

[Kirby9986]

Where on Earth is left where average 5-6/10 white men can still get attractive 7-9/10 white women?

Nowhere on Earth, 6/10 to get a 7 easy, but a 5 to get a 9 impossible unless its with lots of money. Even in SEA or LATAM that doesn't happen at all, and it's much easier.

For the record, I'm a 6. That being said, I recall seeing two videos by Conor Clyne about how in Eastern Europe, a white man who's a 6 and gets women who are 6s in America, and the West can get an 8 as he can go two ranks above the women he gets back home.

Here:

Monkey or Brad Pitt: What Looks for Dating 9s & 10s in New Europe? (Looksmaxxing & Nichemaxxing)

Why even Men with Local Knowledge FAIL to Date 9s & 10s in New Europe ‪@LegionOfMenYT‬

I mean, is he lying? He's been in the region for years.

 

[Kirby9986]

Nope, it’s done for, especially with your average stats plus being non-NT jfl
But you could still betabuxx a working class LTB-MTB range girl your age there for sure…
If you’re really lucky, she may even be thin and in the prime age range (18-25).

If Geomaxxing is done for, then forget about it..

You also said that it's getting close to impossible to geomaxxing JBW countries as well. So, I won't bother to attempt it if I cannot get an 8 as a 6.

 

[14passport]

For the record, I'm a 6. That being said, I recall seeing two videos by Conor Clyne about how in Eastern Europe, a white man who's a 6 and gets women who are 6s in America, and the West can get an 8 as he can go two ranks above the women he gets back home.

Here:

Monkey or Brad Pitt: What Looks for Dating 9s & 10s in New Europe? (Looksmaxxing & Nichemaxxing)

Why even Men with Local Knowledge FAIL to Date 9s & 10s in New Europe ‪@LegionOfMenYT‬

I mean, is he lying? He's been in the region for years.

Can a 6 get an 8 there? it's far from the norm, if we are truly speaking about real 8s
can you get someone you think is a 8? for sure, especially cause certain online communities overvalue eastern europe women

why would you get advice from a guy that looks 50 and has no concept of fashion? i dont expect this guy to know much about dating unless we are talking about paying for women and gold diggers
he is selling his courses to dumb guys

 

[Kirby9986]

So, two things:

1. Yes, once these Ukrainian girls discovered their potential and SMV in the West, they became inaccessible. Sorry about that. Some anecdotal evidence suggests that Ukrainian women have become pickier anyway, so the war just accelerated that.

I blame Obama and Biden for that! Hence why to this day, I have near-infinite contempt for my fellow Americans for voting for both of them as I KNEW it would lead to this! From the Euromaidan in 2014 to the Russo-Ukrainian War that broke out in 2022, it seems as if the Anglosphere has almost COMPLETELY decimated my chances to Geomaxx. As such, I don't know if there's any spot on the Earth where a 6/10 white man like me can Geomaxx and get an 8/10 white woman at this point.

2. However, if you thoroughly do your research, the largest opportunity to geomax is still in some of these former USSR countries.

Doesn't seem like it from what I'm reading from the people here commenting. I got very similar replies from people on Reddit about this. Tell me what you think of what YouTuber Conor Clyne has to say about that: Why even Men with Local Knowledge FAIL to Date 9s & 10s in New Europe ‪@LegionOfMenYT‬

According to him, men who are 5s and 6s like myself can get 7s and 8s (basically a woman who's two ranks above him) in the former USSR compared to only getting women in his "league" back home.

He made an earlier video about this: Monkey or Brad Pitt: What Looks for Dating 9s & 10s in New Europe? (Looksmaxxing & Nichemaxxing)

So, where else can a white man who's a 6 like me can Geomaxx in the former USSR? Moldova? Russia? Belarus? I'm not going to any Caucasian or Central Asian country unless it's Kazakhstan and even then, I'll only venture to the parts of that country where ethnic Russians are the majority. I only like White Women, and I want my children to be white like me on top of being really attractive (8/10 or above).

I would give myself, perhaps conservatively so, a 3.75 PSL. But with a bit of leanmaxxing, fashonmaxxing and language learning (like B1 level), I could sleep with a Stacy, two Stacylites and many HTBs. It was really crazy to think that, at least in some parts of the world, men are still treated as normal human beings.

I'm only going to have kids with a Stacy, as I don't want to have children that'll grow up to be average or at 6 at best. I'm still leaning out and bulking. I was a 5 last year because I had a big belly, but now I've improved quite a lot.

 

[Kirby9986]

Can a 6 get an 8 there? it's far from the norm, if we are truly speaking about real 8s

To put it into perspective, Courtney Cox in her prime was an 8, and I've met a few Eastern European women who look like her. That's what I'm after. I saw men in Ukraine with average and even below-average faces get with really gorgeous women, so I don't think it is (or was before the war) too far from the norm.

can you get someone you think is a 8? for sure, especially cause certain online communities overvalue eastern europe women

Ok, but what's an 8 by your definition? Since you're going by what's objectively an 8.

why would you get advice from a guy that looks 50 and has no concept of fashion?

He talks about fashion in his videos and he was wearing a casual shirt in that one.

i dont expect this guy to know much about dating unless we are talking about paying for women and gold diggers

Did you watch any of his videos like the reply video he made to Bo Refec (Legion of Men)?

he is selling his courses to dumb guys

Not courses, but he does offer travel trips for guys to Geomaxx and score ladies. His clients go over to Eastern Europe and have gotten women.

Regardless, I've managed to match with 7s on American dating apps before and have matched with 4s, 5s, and 6s easily. Yet, what you're saying is that actual Geomaxxing aka the art of getting attractive women that guys like me couldn't hope to get back home is done for.

If that's really the case, then I'll be leaving Eastern Europe and kissing any hope of having a family goodbye. I've been single on purpose for over 10 years because I was waiting to go overseas and Geomaxx instead of settling for a woman in my league.

 

[Pesuka]

I'm sorry dude, but it's done. What you're looking for unless you're really rich is impossible. Slavic women are in the first place the most narcy and materialistic and the tales of "muh ogre gets Stacy in slavland" are betabuxx tales.


Maybe in Yakutsk (lmao) you could get your undiscovered white Stacy.


In the first place banking on getting a wife in a country that isn't a complete dirt shithole that you don't even know the language of is a rather unstable plan methinks.


Also also hook-ups are irrelevant in your case seeing you probably don't want a whore, aka a foid that would fuck the first foreigner she sees.

 

[Stellar_Travels]

Without speaking the local language fluently and without having a big social circle, forget about it anywhere in East Europe (doesn't matter if it's Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Czech Republic, Baltics, Romania ecc).

Ukraine is done because all the girls have left and won't return. I was there way before Covid and it was pay-to-play already back then.

Russia/Belarus forget about that if you don't have money to spend. I'm planning to go there but I do have the money otherwise I wouldn't even waste my time, I know how the dating culture works there.

It sucks but as a LTR the only way you can get hot women is through money, no other way

 

[Kirby9986]

I'm sorry dude, but it's done.

Then I'll be leaving Eastern Europe.

What you're looking for unless you're really rich is impossible. Slavic women are in the first place the most narcy and materialistic and the tales of "muh ogre gets Stacy in slavland" are betabuxx tales.

Sounds like Geomaxxing was never a thing in Slavland in the first place.

Maybe in Yakutsk (lmao) you could get your undiscovered white Stacy.

If I can't even Geomaxx in Russia or the ethnic Russian majority parts of Kazakhstan, then I won't even bother with going abroad at all...

In the first place banking on getting a wife in a country that isn't a complete dirt shithole that you don't even know the language of is a rather unstable plan methinks.

Then I won't bother Geomaxxing, or being a passport bro and definitely will be scrapping my plans for starting a family. No way in hell am I having children with some average-looking white woman and in turn having average-looking children. The whole purpose of me venturing abroad and Geomaxxing in Slavic countries was to avoid that fate.

Also also hook-ups are irrelevant in your case seeing you probably don't want a whore, aka a foid that would fuck the first foreigner she sees.

I don't do hookups.

This whole thread is depressing. I get invited to this website because the mods told me to come Geomaxx, only to discover that Geomaxxing doesn't exist anymore. What a joke!

 

[Rance]

Some users here are forgetting what geomaxxing is. It is not achieving an ideal situation or massively overhauling your life. All it means is that you improve your SMV, however marginally, by changing your geography.

Therefore, unless OP is in the worst city on the planet, he can geomaxx.

I am not experienced at all with Western countries outside North America, but I would bet good money that Eastern Europe is still a lot easier than most other Western countries.

 

[Kirby9986]

Without speaking the local language fluently and without having a big social circle, forget about it anywhere in East Europe (doesn't matter if it's Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Czech Republic, Baltics, Romania ecc).

That's EXACTLY what YouTuber Conor Clyne has said in each of his videos. Especially this one: Why even Men with Local Knowledge FAIL to Date 9s & 10s in New Europe ‪@LegionOfMenYT‬. It makes sense.

Ukraine is done because all the girls have left and won't return. I was there way before Covid and it was pay-to-play already back then.

More accurately, all of the HOT girls have left and won't return. A lot of the hot girls have returned, but almost all of them are average or ugly. Any hot ones are a rarity now. I was in Lviv back in 2021, and to be honest, most of the women there and across Western Ukraine have always been average even by Western standards. The really beautiful ones were in Central and Eastern Ukraine, which I regret not going to back then.

Russia/Belarus forget about that if you don't have money to spend. I'm planning to go there but I do have the money otherwise I wouldn't even waste my time, I know how the dating culture works there.

What about the smaller cities and towns? A few Russian friends told me that there are 7s and 8s in those locations and the chances of 6s like me getting them are way higher. I have some money to spend as I'm a teacher and digital nomad. Feel free to DM me some tips on Russia and Belarus as I want to know how to get in anyway.

Also, a Polish guy told me about the parts of Kazakhstan where Russians make up the majority. Do you know anything about this?

It sucks but as a LTR the only way you can get hot women is through money, no other way

Interesting.

 

[Stellar_Travels]

That's EXACTLY what YouTuber Conor Clyne has said in each of his videos. Especially this one: Why even Men with Local Knowledge FAIL to Date 9s & 10s in New Europe ‪@LegionOfMenYT‬. It makes sense.

More accurately, all of the HOT girls have left and won't return. A lot of the hot girls have returned, but almost all of them are average or ugly. Any hot ones are a rarity now. I was in Lviv back in 2021, and to be honest, most of the women there and across Western Ukraine have always been average even by Western standards. The really beautiful ones were in Central and Eastern Ukraine, which I regret not going to back then.

What about the smaller cities and towns? A few Russian friends told me that there are 7s and 8s in those locations and the chances of 6s like me getting them are way higher. I have some money to spend as I'm a teacher and digital nomad. Feel free to DM me some tips on Russia and Belarus as I want to know how to get in anyway.

Also, a Polish guy told me about the parts of Kazakhstan where Russians make up the majority. Do you know anything about this?

Interesting.

I don't recommend smaller cities (basically everything outside Moscow or Saint Petersburg) because of a few reasons.
1) Most young girls leave for Moscow or Saint Petersburg to study or for work, so you'll find those places full of old people and families
2) The girls that remain there tend to get a boyfriend in high school, marry in their early 20s and they have kids by the time they're mid 20's. That's because there is nothing else to do in those cities
3) All the beautiful girls leave for Moscow anyway so it's pointless to go to smaller cities if you want to target the 8s
4) Nobody will speak english and you must be fluent in Russian to even be able to live there. I remember back around 2017 I was in Dnepropetrovsk in Ukraine thinking I was smart to go off the beaten path and girls would throw at me....well, it was hard to even survive. Even at restaurants they didn't have the english menu, I had no idea what I was ordering and nobody spoke english. It was hell and I got back to Kiev very quickly
5) Bigger cities have a better nightlife and more events that allow you to socialize and get to know girls even outside the dating apps

I've never been in Kazakhstan so I don't know anything about that place

And yes, unfortunately as foreigners we can't compare ourselves to the local guys. A russian girl will always prefer russian guys...as much as a German girl will prefer german guys and swedish girls will prefer swedish guys. That's because they share a culture, a language...most of them get to know through common friends and social circles. As outsiders we have a wall to climb and beautiful girls aren't struggling anywhere to find a high value guy....they actually have a line of them to choose from no matter where they're located.

In Russia/Ukraine the dating culture skew more towards money so even if you're LTN/MTN it's the best place to look for a beautiful girls...you odds will be higher but only if you have money and for that I mean at least 10,000€ per month otherwise it's pointless to even try

 

[Stellar_Travels]

I'm looking for girls like this: https://streamable.com/h41bpy

Moscow is the best place in the world for that, that being said it's far from easy....I know for a fact that my only chance at that is living there, I must spend lots of time there...6 months per year at the very least. I need to establish myself in multiple social circles, attend activities, events and socialize as much as possible, learn the language. You only find the most Westernized and world girls online and btw dating apps don't even work anymore in Russia because they're banned so even if you want, you can't use them and IMHO it's a good thing because anyway they only benefit women.

And you need money because in Russia the dating culture revolves around that, and unless you're Chad or poor that's also a good thing

 

[Stellar_Travels]

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[Rance]

I'm looking for girls like this: https://streamable.com/h41bpy

Moscow is the best place in the world for that, that being said it's far from easy....I know for a fact that my only chance at that is living there, I must spend lots of time there...6 months per year at the very least. I need to establish myself in multiple social circles, attend activities, events and socialize as much as possible, learn the language. You only find the most Westernized and world girls online and btw dating apps don't even work anymore in Russia because they're banned so even if you want, you can't use them and IMHO it's a good thing because anyway they only benefit women.

And you need money because in Russia the dating culture revolves around that, and unless you're Chad or poor that's also a good thing

I'm curious what "needing money" means in the context of Russia

Is it like China where you need money because the girl will filter for wealth due to: parental pressure, wanting to buy a nice house, raise kids to be wealthy, etc.?

Or is it more like Dubai where it's a lifestyle thing and girls will want to: go to fancy nightclubs, ride in expensive cars, have clothes bought for them, etc.?

 

[Stellar_Travels]

I'm curious what "needing money" means in the context of Russia

Is it like China where you need money because the girl will filter for wealth due to: parental pressure, wanting to buy a nice house, raise kids to be wealthy, etc.?

Or is it more like Dubai where it's a lifestyle thing and girls will want to: go to fancy nightclubs, ride in expensive cars, have clothes bought for them, etc.?

A mix of both. In Russia there aren't diversity & inclusion bullshit policies so the vast majority of highly paid jobs are taken by men. Women are pressured to select for money too (other than looks) for financial security.
But Russian women also love luxuries....doesn't matter if it's clothes, vacations, furniture, restaurants ecc...they want to be treated as princesses. That's the culture there...but of course there is various levels and not all of them are gold diggers of course, far from it. But the problem is that if you don't speak the language and you don't have a social circle, you end up relying on online dating or going to clubs and meeting the most Westernized and money loving women out there

To meet a beautiful, kind and down to earth woman in Moscow is really hard if you're not actually living there....and that's the big problem

 

[Kirby9986]

I don't recommend smaller cities (basically everything outside Moscow or Saint Petersburg) because of a few reasons.
1) Most young girls leave for Moscow or Saint Petersburg to study or for work, so you'll find those places full of old people and families

So, no Volgograd? That's not exactly a small city.

2) The girls that remain there tend to get a boyfriend in high school, marry in their early 20s and they have kids by the time they're mid 20's. That's because there is nothing else to do in those cities

Sounding very similar to every industrialized country with a rural-urban divide.

3) All the beautiful girls leave for Moscow anyway so it's pointless to go to smaller cities if you want to target the 8s

Isn't Moscow very Westernized among the youth, though? And St. Petersburg even more so? That's what I've heard, and if that's true, then those women probably know their value in the West and have the same standards and attitudes that Western women have. I heard from a few PPBs and locals that Vladivitosk, Yekaterinburg, Omsk, and especially Novosibirsk are good places for 6s to get 8s as there are some living there.

4) Nobody will speak english and you must be fluent in Russian to even be able to live there. I remember back around 2017 I was in Dnepropetrovsk in Ukraine thinking I was smart to go off the beaten path and girls would throw at me....well, it was hard to even survive. Even at restaurants they didn't have the english menu, I had no idea what I was ordering and nobody spoke english. It was hell and I got back to Kiev very quickly

Conor Clyne mentioned that in order to effectively get the 7s, 8s, and 9s, you need to both learn and speak the language and get into a good social circle. Given how he's been in the region since 2013, I don't believe he's lying.

5) Bigger cities have a better nightlife and more events that allow you to socialize and get to know girls even outside the dating apps

I never look at dating apps anyway. Rarely do I go to clubs, either. I usually try bars, which is also rare, so mostly pubs, cafes, and of course, church and young-person groups that the churches offer in case of meeting a beautiful woman who's religious.

I've never been in Kazakhstan so I don't know anything about that place

I was told by a Polish acquaintance that the ethnic Russian majority areas of that country are good for men like me seeking the 8s. So, I think I'll opt for there.

And yes, unfortunately as foreigners we can't compare ourselves to the local guys. A russian girl will always prefer russian guys...as much as a German girl will prefer german guys and swedish girls will prefer swedish guys. That's because they share a culture, a language...most of them get to know through common friends and social circles.

That's why it's best to get into a social circle among the locals.

As outsiders we have a wall to climb and beautiful girls aren't struggling anywhere to find a high value guy....they actually have a line of them to choose from no matter where they're located.

Many Slavic men aren't that good-looking to be fair.

In Russia/Ukraine the dating culture skew more towards money so even if you're LTN/MTN it's the best place to look for a beautiful girls...you odds will be higher but only if you have money and for that I mean at least 10,000€ per month otherwise it's pointless to even try

Not like I'm a broke loser, so I'll try my luck.

 

[EEmaxxer]

Wow...lots of quality post on this thread. Now this is the type of quality posting I'm talking about. I will chime in...

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a 6 (HTN). The problem with being a 6 aiming for a legit 8 is that an 8 gets 10x the interest from that of a 7. And a 7 gets 10x the interest of a 6. When you go for 8s, you are competing against all sorts of very high value guys. The good looking guys, tall guys, high status guys, etc. and for EE girls that are 8s almost every guy that she is seriously considering has money. Like Stellar_Travels says, you better be able to spend like 10K a month if you wanna compete for an 8. I've lived in CE/EE and interacted with many Ukrainian women. Conor saying how a man "needs to be a bit better than a monkey" I've found is largely BS. Cause all the guys I personally know who consistently crush it with hot (7s+) girls are all good looking or tall or a combination of both on top of having decent money. Also young too like under the age of 35 but still look like they are in their late 20s.

Honestly though, considering that you have Aspergers and ADHD and you are a 6, I think you are better off trying for a 7 (still in the stacey league albeit stacey-lite) or maybe a 7.5 at most. Even then, I still think it would hard and you will need luck. But it's worth a shot IMO.

 

[Someone]

Before going to EE, I read many different things on the forums, ranging from “it’s really easy bro” to “it’s only about money”. I just said fuck it and went there. I had no social circle whatsoever and started using Tinder the minute I set foot on the ground. I don’t consider myself good looking, but I did all the looksmaxxing I could because I knew that EE is not “easy” but “easier”. I was surprised to get so many matches as it was my 1st geomaxxing experience.

As for the financial side, I was careful to avoid any girl who posts her ass on a Dubai yacht or anything mentioning “I’m looking for a real man who knows what he wants” and such. It takes a bit of intuition to avoid gold diggers. I usually paid USD 30-35 for both to have drinks at the bar, and an Uber after she stayed at my place. Never asked about buying vacations, a Louis Vuitton bag or similar things.

It’s possible to get a Stacy, but it takes more time and some luck. Still happy with Stacylites and HTBs.

 

[Kirby9986]

I don't recommend smaller cities (basically everything outside Moscow or Saint Petersburg) because of a few reasons.
1) Most young girls leave for Moscow or Saint Petersburg to study or for work, so you'll find those places full of old people and families

So, no Volgograd? That's not exactly a small city.

2) The girls that remain there tend to get a boyfriend in high school, marry in their early 20s and they have kids by the time they're mid 20's. That's because there is nothing else to do in those cities

Sounding very similar to every industrialized country with a rural-urban divide.

3) All the beautiful girls leave for Moscow anyway so it's pointless to go to smaller cities if you want to target the 8s

Isn't Moscow very Westernized among the youth, though? And St. Petersburg even more so? That's what I've heard, and if that's true, then those women probably know their value in the West and have the same standards and attitudes that Western women have. I heard from a few PPBs and locals that Vladivitosk, Yekaterinburg, Omsk, and especially Novosibirsk are good places for 6s to get 8s as there are some living there.

4) Nobody will speak english and you must be fluent in Russian to even be able to live there. I remember back around 2017 I was in Dnepropetrovsk in Ukraine thinking I was smart to go off the beaten path and girls would throw at me....well, it was hard to even survive. Even at restaurants they didn't have the english menu, I had no idea what I was ordering and nobody spoke english. It was hell and I got back to Kiev very quickly

Conor Clyne mentioned that in order to effectively get the 7s, 8s, and 9s, you need to both learn and speak the language and get into a good social circle. Given how he's been in the region since 2013, I don't believe he's lying.

5) Bigger cities have a better nightlife and more events that allow you to socialize and get to know girls even outside the dating apps

I never look at dating apps anyway. Rarely do I go to clubs, either. I usually try bars, which is also rare, so mostly pubs, cafes, and of course, church and young-person groups that the churches offer in case of meeting a beautiful woman who's religious.

I've never been in Kazakhstan so I don't know anything about that place

I was told by a Polish acquaintance that the parts of Kazakhstan where ethnic Russians make up the majority are great for men who are 6s like me to Geomaxx and get women who are 8s. As Conor Clyne said, if you're a 6 and getting 6s back home, you can go two ranks above that in EE and CA.

And yes, unfortunately as foreigners we can't compare ourselves to the local guys. A russian girl will always prefer russian guys...as much as a German girl will prefer german guys and swedish girls will prefer swedish guys. That's because they share a culture, a language...most of them get to know through common friends and social circles.

That's common sense.

As outsiders we have a wall to climb and beautiful girls aren't struggling anywhere to find a high value guy....they actually have a line of them to choose from no matter where they're located.

Right, but there are those who don't have the SAME standards for male beauty as women in the West do due to cultural beauty standards. Once they adopt Western culture, they adopt Western dating culture and norms, and with that comes adopting Western male beauty standards that the women will soon seek out. This is on top of them discovering their potential and value in the West, especially when they move or stay there for weeks or months.

In Russia/Ukraine the dating culture skew more towards money so even if you're LTN/MTN it's the best place to look for a beautiful girls...you odds will be higher but only if you have money and for that I mean at least 10,000€ per month otherwise it's pointless to even try

I'm not a broke loser, so I'll give it a shot. I swore on the Bible and made an oath in front of my family and friends that I'd either get a woman who's an 8 with blue eyes, pale skin and dark hair i.e. a Courteney Cox lookalike or I'll never have a family and die alone. So, giving up for me is not an option as I'm keeping my vow and never going to break it.

 

[Kirby9986]

Wow...lots of quality post on this thread. Now this is the type of quality posting I'm talking about. I will chime in...

Lots of negative posts with many saying that Geomaxxing no longer exists, tbh.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a 6 (HTN). The problem with being a 6 aiming for a legit 8 is that an 8 gets 10x the interest from that of a 7.

I knew this. It's definitely extreme in the West. Not like I haven't matched with a 7 in America, though.

And a 7 gets 10x the interest of a 6. When you go for 8s, you are competing against all sorts of very high value guys. The good looking guys, tall guys, high status guys, etc. and for EE girls that are 8s almost every guy that she is seriously considering has money.

This is why I opt for smaller cities and towns as the 8s there aren't surrounded by the top men like in the big cities. On top of that, they're less likely to have the same standards of male beauty and overall attitudes as Western Women.

Like Stellar_Travels says, you better be able to spend like 10K a month if you wanna compete for an 8. I've lived in CE/EE and interacted with many Ukrainian women.

What part of CE/EE? I'm trying to go to the part that's not been plastered all over social media or really modernized, and definitely not Westernized or in the EU (except for Latvia). E.g. Moldova, Serbia, Bosnia, North Macedonia, Russia, Belarus, and the ethnic Russian majority parts of Kazakhstan.

Conor saying how a man "needs to be a bit better than a monkey" I've found is largely BS. Cause all the guys I personally know who consistently crush it with hot (7s+) girls are all good looking or tall or a combination of both on top of having decent money.

Maybe what he said was a bit of hyperbole, but I think it likely applies for average men aka 5/10 and 6/10 men like me. What do you think of this video by Conor Clyne? He was responding to Bo Refec (Legion of Men) who was basically saying that you need to be a Chad with 7-8 figures of wealth.

Here's the video: Why even Men with Local Knowledge FAIL to Date 9s & 10s in New Europe ‪@LegionOfMenYT‬

I personally found it to be insightful overall.

Also young too like under the age of 35 but still look like they are in their late 20s.

Ok, just for the record... I only just turned 30 two months ago. So, I'm not an old man, bro.

Honestly though, considering that you have Aspergers and ADHD and you are a 6, I think you are better off trying for a 7 (still in the stacey league albeit stacey-lite) or maybe a 7.5 at most. Even then, I still think it would hard and you will need luck. But it's worth a shot IMO.

I'm still going to shoot for an 8. At minimum a 7.5 because I didn't come all this way only to not Geomaxx. As a 6, I'm hellbent on keeping my vow of actually Geomaxxing and getting a woman more attractive than me. As I said earlier, I made a vow to both family, friends and to God Himself that the only woman I'm starting a family with is a woman who's an 8 and looks like the woman I posted in the pictures in my initial post. So, this is kind of a must-do if I am to have children that I dream of having one day as breaking that vow will never happen.

 

[Kirby9986]

Before going to EE, I read many different things on the forums, ranging from “it’s really easy bro” to “it’s only about money”. I just said fuck it and went there.

The latter being what I've been reading here. The former being on Looksmaxx.org, funny enough.

I had no social circle whatsoever and started using Tinder the minute I set foot on the ground. I don’t consider myself good looking, but I did all the looksmaxxing I could because I knew that EE is not “easy” but “easier”.

I'm still looksmaxxing. Heck, I wager I'm a 6 in the face because of my weight. My friends and brother keep telling me that if I lose weight and tone up, I'll be much better-looking. I used to be fat with a large belly and a 5 in the face a year and a half ago because of excessive alcohol use, but now I'm really dieting hard, and hopefully by late Spring or Summer, I'll be a 7 or a 6.5 at least. Body fat changes your face.

I was surprised to get so many matches as it was my 1st geomaxxing experience.

Really? Please tell me more.

As for the financial side, I was careful to avoid any girl who posts her ass on a Dubai yacht or anything mentioning “I’m looking for a real man who knows what he wants” and such. It takes a bit of intuition to avoid gold diggers. I

Conor Clyne definitely mentioned that wealthy men attract gold diggers. Something I'm trying to avoid. I also tend to avoid women who have flashy social media accounts and dating profiles like you mentioned.

usually paid USD 30-35 for both to have drinks at the bar, and an Uber after she stayed at my place. Never asked about buying vacations, a Louis Vuitton bag or similar things.

Wow! Please feel free to DM me about your ventures as I want to know more.

It’s possible to get a Stacy, but it takes more time and some luck. Still happy with Stacylites and HTBs.

I imagine, but I'm bent on taking that time and trying out my luck as much as possible because only a Stacy will have my kids. I made an oath of this, after all.

 

[Xavist]

The latter being what I've been reading here. The former being on Looksmaxx.org, funny enough.

I'm still looksmaxxing. Heck, I wager I'm a 6 in the face because of my weight. My friends and brother keep telling me that if I lose weight and tone up, I'll be much better-looking. I used to be fat with a large belly and a 5 in the face a year and a half ago because of excessive alcohol use, but now I'm really dieting hard, and hopefully by late Spring or Summer, I'll be a 7 or a 6.5 at least. Body fat changes your face.

Really? Please tell me more.

Conor Clyne definitely mentioned that wealthy men attract gold diggers. Something I'm trying to avoid. I also tend to avoid women who have flashy social media accounts and dating profiles like you mentioned.

Wow! Please feel free to DM me about your ventures as I want to know more.

I imagine, but I'm bent on taking that time and trying out my luck as much as possible because only a Stacy will have my kids. I made an oath of this, after all.

As a sperg with an average income you should really go to LATAM or SEA lol
Especially since you’ve already visited the region and obviously failed, otherwise you wouldn’t be posting on here…

 

[Kirby9986]

As a sperg with an average income you should really go to LATAM or SEA lol

First things first, I really don't like how you all seem to have a negative bias toward my Aspergers. I'm not socially inept and am extremely high-functioning. Second, I don't want dark-skinned women nor do I want nonwhite women... I only like blue-eyed pale-skinned white women with dark hair. Besides, even if I were to go to Latin America, I'm pretty sure that Uruguay is out of the question for the kind of Geomaxxing I'm attempting to do. Same with Argentina because of Javier Milei's reforms and how plastered the country is becoming all over social media.

Especially since you’ve already visited the region and obviously failed, otherwise you wouldn’t be posting on here…

I was ESL teaching in Poland which is very Westernized and didn't travel much. Same goes for the Czech Republic (specifically Prague). I briefly visited Slovakia and Hungary, but never attempted to date there. Never used dating apps in Ukraine, either, and only really spent a great deal of time in Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk. The former is very Westernized with the women being no different from the women you meet in Germany and the latter is also Westernized and lacks any women who are above a 6 with 6s being rare as is. The parts of Ukraine that aren't Westernized are where the beautiful women used to be before the war, such as Chernihiv, Poltava, Dnipro, Kharkiv, Odesa, etc. Now, they've all gone to Western Europe and have become Westernized.

This is why I was trying to go to Latvia, Moldova, Bosnia, Russia, Serbia, Belarus, and the ethnic Russian parts of Kazakhstan. All of which are countries I haven't been to.

Heck, I only explored two cities in Slovakia and not even Bratislava. Other than Budapest, Hungary, I really haven't gone to everywhere in Eastern Europe, so how could I have possibly failed? So Ukraine didn't work out due to the war and neither did Poland (which is becoming woke) or Czechia, which I never planned to Geomaxx or date in anyway. That country is just meant for me to live in and pay lower taxes. A base of operations where I have my job, and then hop over to other countries when I have time off from work.

Hope that clears things up for you.

 

[Rance]

You are going to have to accept some hard truths about your racial preferences... you basically have three options

1. Keep your phenotypical preferences but settle for 5-6 MTB/HTB
2. Break your phenotypical preferences and get a 7-8 Staceylite/Stacey
3. Betabuxx

 

[Kirby9986]

You are going to have to accept some hard truths about your racial preferences... you basically have three options

1. Keep your phenotypical preferences but settle for 5-6 MTB/HTB
2. Break your phenotypical preferences and get a 7-8 Staceylite/Stacey
3. Betabuxx

First off, I'm not a Beta male, and I'd never Betabux anyway.

Second, are you seriously saying that Staceys in Moldova, Belarus, Bosnia, Serbia, North Macedonia, Latvia, Russia and the ethnic Russian majority parts of Kazakhstan are inaccessible to me? That I'm pretty much only able to get with a Stacey of a different race, but not my OWN race? I don't want to have mixed-race children despite being preferable to having average-looking 5-6/10 white children, in which a 5-6 MTB/HTB would absolutely guarantee that (NEVER will I allow that to happen). I'm only attracted to White Women, and I just can't stomach never having one as my wife, but not one who's a 5-6 MTB/HTB as again, I'll never have children with one of those. The only children I'll ever have will be white 7-8 Chads/Chad-lies and Staceys/Stacey-lites via a white Stacey. If I'm blocked from having those kind of children, then I'm doomed...

EDIT: I made an oath to my friends and family that I'd either marry and have children with a white Stacey or die alone. As a Catholic, I also made the same oath to God as well. So, I guess I can kiss ever having a family goodbye since I'm not breaking that vow. I wish I had gone over to Eastern Europe earlier.

 

[Rance]

First off, I'm not a Beta male, and I'd never Betabux anyway.

Second, are you seriously saying that Staceys in Moldova, Belarus, Bosnia, Serbia, North Macedonia, Latvia, Russia and the ethnic Russian majority parts of Kazakhstan are inaccessible to me? That I'm pretty much only able to get with a Stacey of a different race, but not my OWN race? I don't want to have mixed-race children despite being preferable to having average-looking 5-6/10 white children, in which a 5-6 MTB/HTB would absolutely guarantee that (NEVER will I allow that to happen). I'm only attracted to White Women, and I just can't stomach never having one as my wife, but not one who's a 5-6 MTB/HTB as again, I'll never have children with one of those. The only children I'll ever have will be white 7-8 Chads/Chad-lies and Staceys/Stacey-lites via a white Stacey. If I'm blocked from having those kind of children, then I'm doomed...

EDIT: I made an oath to my friends and family that I'd either marry and have children with a white Stacey or die alone. As a Catholic, I also made the same oath to God as well. So, I guess I can kiss ever having a family goodbye since I'm not breaking that vow. I wish I had gone over to Eastern Europe earlier.

Yes, you can do it, but you need to seriously consider some form of betabuxing.

There is no shame in this. Just means you're leading with your money and you'll deal with some of the problems and insecurities of being married to a girl who has a higher SMV than you.

The only other alternative would be absolutely grinding out sets for years in someplace like Kazakhstan, Boratmaxx until you find a unicorn Stacey who likes your exact type. Then hope it translates to marriage. But how much work are you willing to put in, and how long are you willing to wait?

 

[Kirby9986]

Yes, you can do it, but you need to seriously consider some form of betabuxing.

There is no shame in this. Just means you're leading with your money and you'll deal with some of the problems and insecurities of being married to a girl who has a higher SMV than you.

The only other alternative would be absolutely grinding out sets for years in someplace like Kazakhstan, Boratmaxx until you find a unicorn Stacey who likes your exact type. Then hope it translates to marriage. But how much work are you willing to put in, and how long are you willing to wait?

I need to go to sleep, but will properly reply in a couple hours from now. I'll put an "EDIT" down below for when I return.

EDIT:

 

[Someone]

@Kirby9986: You seem to be a dedicated person, doing much more than the random lurker here. Admittedly, you may be more successful if you don't start asking girls to go to your hotel room straight away (as opined by other members), but at least you're putting more energy into it than most people.

My advice would be as follows:
1. Pay someone to take semi-professional pictures of you. If you have the cash for flight tickets, hotels and such, you must have 50 bucks to pay a photography student.
2. Geolocate yourself to Minsk, Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Kazan to see if it's worth going to any of these cities.
3. If yes, learn as much of the language as you can and go there

@Rance: In terms of money, typical girls (i.e., not gold diggers) don't expect someone to be immensely wealthy, but just to have some cash to live a reasonably normal, comfortable life. I would say it's very different from the other countries you've mentioned in your post

 

[EEmaxxer]

@Rance: In terms of money, typical girls (i.e., not gold diggers) don't expect someone to be immensely wealthy, but just to have some cash to live a reasonably normal, comfortable life. I would say it's very different from the other countries you've mentioned in your post

This on average happens when you are dating within your SMV range. If you are a 6 going for 8s, those two points in difference has to be compensated either through money or status...probably both. 2 points difference in SMV is A LOT.

 

[EEmaxxer]

Curious what would yall rate this Ukrainian girl?

 

[FuckMaxxxer]

THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG POST! So please stick with me for the entirety of it.
I'll cut to the chase by quoting some of my previous posts that I made on Looksmaxx.org.

Here's what I said last year in one of my earlier posts:



Here's one more:



Now, the guy is talking hyperbole when it comes to 9s being a 10 in the West because he's referring to BMI and not the face. I've been to Eastern Europe five times, and the average face here is at the same level as the average face in the West. Don't let ANYONE delude you into thinking otherwise!

That being said, in the West, the attractive 7, 8, and 9/10 women won't go for a man with an average face regardless of whether he's fit or not because that man will lower her status, whereas a man with an attractive face will either maintain or bolster her status.

Hence, I hope that this cultural mentality that the West has hasn't yet taken over in Moldova, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia yet. I know that Lviv is a goner, that's for damn sure as I've been there several times and it's only gotten more Westernized since I went there in 2023. I would go to Latvia and even Ukraine, but if they have the mentality of "Average face = lower status", then count me out. My Aspergers + ADHD makes dating hard enough in the West. Sheesh!

Speaking of Ukraine,

Nearly 7 million of their people, mostly prime age women and children have left the country. That means 3/4ths of their fertile female population are in the EU and never to return to Ukraine.

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I was told that all of the really attractive women have left. I got off the phone with a friend of mine who went to Chernihiv, and he recalled how all the hot women were gone from there and probably aren't coming back. I won't bother trying to pick up any of them in the EU because once they're here, they quickly become Westernized and their attitudes and standards for men's looks become on par with that of Western Women. Basically, you have to be a Chad or Chad-lite at bare-minimum and/or wealthy to get one of the hot model Ukrainian women whereas before the war, you didn't havve to because they weren't Westernized.

In other words, I missed the boat to Geomaxx in Ukraine because of Biden appeasing Putin and causing the war to happen!

So, what's left? Where can I go in Eastern Europe can I go where the attractive 7.5+ women aren't Westernized and as such, don't have the same demands and expectations as Western Women in terms of men's looks and where the hot women are still in their home countries?

The kind of white woman I'm looking to get is an 8/10 in looks like this:

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Yes, she's EXACTLY my type. As a martyr for my standards, I won't have children with anyone who doesn't fit this criteria as I made an oath to either get a woman like this or die alone. This is why Geomaxxing for me is so damn important. Make any point you want about me, but this is my mindset. Also, keep in mind that this woman dated many average men and even married this guy:
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He wasn't even a high-profile actor, but if he could pull that off, then I should be able to Geomaxx.

Now, I was invited to this site because by two of your mods as they supported me Geomaxxing. I can only think of going to the ethnic Russian majority parts of Kazakhstan to effectively Geomaxx the way I want/need to.

Pink = Ethnic Russian

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I've lived in Eastern Europe before from 2021 to 2023 and now I'm back in the region this year. However, I fear that I've missed the boat to effectively Geomaxx in majority white countries, and sadly as a White American man, I'm only attracted to White Women.

After talking extensively on Reddit, I get the feeling that I'm in a pretty dire situation here when it comes to Geomaxxing. Those guys made it sound like Geomaxxing is done for unless you're rich and only want a gold digger. Of course, what made me laugh about this is that the Reddit folks were trying to paint Geomaxxing as an urban myth and those who attempt to do it are a bunch of entitled hypocrites. You can read all about it here on my latest post on Looksmaxx.org: RANT: According to folks Reddit and apparently me wanting to Geomaxx makes me some entitled hypocrite, and Geomaxxing itself is an urban myth...

Back to the original question though:



Comment below and let me know.

That woman you showed is exceptional beauty, she's in Hollywood for a reason. Unless you are a mini celebrity, tall and multi millionaire (50M$+) business man, that kind of genetic quality is OFF LIMITS to you The sooner you realize this, the better.

 

[FuckMaxxxer]

Maybe South America, LATAM still holds that possibility? If you are willing to learn the language.

 

[Kirby9986]

That woman you showed is exceptional beauty, she's in Hollywood for a reason. Unless you are a mini celebrity, tall and multi millionaire (50M$+) business man, that kind of genetic quality is OFF LIMITS to you The sooner you realize this, the better.

She's an 8/10 by Eastern European standards, and I'll ONLY have children who grow up to look like Tom Brady, Margot Robbie or the equivalent, and a woman of that genetic quality is the gateway to that. This is why I'm Geomaxxing, in order to escape my genetic fate of having children who will be average or in my SMV range. Any children of mine will be leaps and bounds better than me in terms of SMV via inheriting their looks and genes from a woman with a higher SMV than me.

 

[Kirby9986]

Maybe South America, LATAM still holds that possibility? If you are willing to learn the language.

Which South American country? Brazil? Argentina? Uruguay? The latter two are the only ones I'm really considering going to because that's where actual white women are found. Javier Milei is a brown-haired, blue-eyed white guy, so I know they exist down there. The question is if it's still a possibility or not.

Otherwise, full-speed ahead to Moldova, Belarus, Bosnia, Serbia, Russia, and the ethnic Russian areas of Kazakhstan.

 

[Kirby9986]

This on average happens when you are dating within your SMV range. If you are a 6 going for 8s, those two points in difference has to be compensated either through money or status...probably both. 2 points difference in SMV is A LOT.

For the record, a few guys I've spoken to, including Conor Clyne (who I've personally emailed in the past) said that guys dating women that are of two points difference above them in SMV is a thing in the former USSR for foreign guys. He mentioned that the ones who get the 9s and 10s are usually the men who pull 7s and 8s back in their home countries. So, if guys are pulling 5s and 6s back home, then they can pull 7s and 8s in Ukraine, BeIarus, Moldova, Russia, and Kazakhstan.

One of the things he and a few other guys mentioned that if guys learn the language and get into a good social circle, then they can actually pull off the Geomaxxing I'm attempting to do.

However, you're basically saying that Geomaxxing doesn't exist anymore. I mean, with money and status, you shouldn't have a problem getting an 8 back in your home country. As Rance brilliantly put it:

Some users here are forgetting what geomaxxing is. It is not achieving an ideal situation or massively overhauling your life. All it means is that you improve your SMV, however marginally, by changing your geography.

Therefore, unless OP is in the worst city on the planet, he can geomaxx.

I am not experienced at all with Western countries outside North America, but I would bet good money that Eastern Europe is still a lot easier than most other Western countries.

So, if I have to either be a Chad or be a high-status guy with money (which upon being either of those things, I'd have NO problem getting those beautiful women back home), how exactly am I geomaxxing?

It's all about going to places where you can get those women as you are. Not saying I won't continue improving myself, but at the same time, I'm still trying to pull off Geomaxxing before it's too late to do so.

 

[BiggChungus]

the only people who were easily hitting it out ofthe park consistently without effort in eastern europe were the people that went there in the brief period before liberalization was complete, and before cell phone saturation peaked. this was like, a time period of 8 to fifteen years max. I personally saw this period pass in thailand when shit went from amazing to mediocre, and I have seen it pass partially in various other countries through various other stages.

eastern europe, except belarus and maybe bulgaria and serbia and russia to a lesser extent, has significantly liberalized. to the extent that its better, its only better because it hasnt finished liberalizing. which means that your success will come from what brought people success in the past. ltn in the past ONLY had the option to betabuxx. the reason the west is ruined is not ONLY because the standards have risen so much. it is also half because the betabuxx option has been taken off the table completely. to the extent eastern europe is better it is at least half because this option still exists. their standards are also quite high, they just dont have the ability to follow through with their desires. so I am not sure why you're so adamant about avoiding it, its the primary thing that makes the region good. hoping you can return to the magical time that a few lucky people got to go through is just gonna get you stuck in a rut

learn russian if its that important to you. it's not even that hard man. literally like 30 percent of the words are the same. maybe a little less.

 

[EEmaxxer]

For the record, a few guys I've spoken to, including Conor Clyne (who I've personally emailed in the past) said that guys dating women that are of two points difference above them in SMV is a thing in the former USSR for foreign guys. He mentioned that the ones who get the 9s and 10s are usually the men who pull 7s and 8s back in their home countries. So, if guys are pulling 5s and 6s back home, then they can pull 7s and 8s in Ukraine, BeIarus, Moldova, Russia, and Kazakhstan.

One of the things he and a few other guys mentioned that if guys learn the language and get into a good social circle, then they can actually pull off the Geomaxxing I'm attempting to do.

However, you're basically saying that Geomaxxing doesn't exist anymore. I mean, with money and status, you shouldn't have a problem getting an 8 back in your home country. As Rance brilliantly put it:



So, if I have to either be a Chad or be a high-status guy with money (which upon being either of those things, I'd have NO problem getting those beautiful women back home), how exactly am I geomaxxing?

It's all about going to places where you can get those women as you are. Not saying I won't continue improving myself, but at the same time, I'm still trying to pull off Geomaxxing before it's too late to do so.

Brother, the reason why Conor Clyne say that is because the men who are 5s and 6s are using their money/status to get the 7s and 8s. It is that with geomaxxing, the bar for what is considered having money is LOWER. In Ukraine, if you spend like 7K-8K USD a month, you are in that top 1% bracket. Spending 7K-8K USD per month in USA in a city like Miami is like being in upper middle class at best...no where near top 1%. I have watched his lives before and he said all his clients are millionaires, some deca-millionaires and one even a centi-millionaire. And if you are an average guy going for 7s and 8s, since their culture weigh the importance of money more than looks, by spending that type of money getting those types of girls is more achievable. Geomaxxing simply allows that money threshold to be lower.

 

[RenaissanceMan]

I think it's impossible unless betabuxxing, and even then we are talking about spending big bucks. Easter european women are very materialistic and pragmatic.

 

[Stellar_Travels]

the only people who were easily hitting it out ofthe park consistently without effort in eastern europe were the people that went there in the brief period before liberalization was complete, and before cell phone saturation peaked. this was like, a time period of 8 to fifteen years max. I personally saw this period pass in thailand when shit went from amazing to mediocre, and I have seen it pass partially in various other countries through various other stages.

eastern europe, except belarus and maybe bulgaria and serbia and russia to a lesser extent, has significantly liberalized. to the extent that its better, its only better because it hasnt finished liberalizing. which means that your success will come from what brought people success in the past. ltn in the past ONLY had the option to betabuxx. the reason the west is ruined is not ONLY because the standards have risen so much. it is also half because the betabuxx option has been taken off the table completely. to the extent eastern europe is better it is at least half because this option still exists. their standards are also quite high, they just dont have the ability to follow through with their desires. so I am not sure why you're so adamant about avoiding it, its the primary thing that makes the region good. hoping you can return to the magical time that a few lucky people got to go through is just gonna get you stuck in a rut

learn russian if its that important to you. it's not even that hard man. literally like 30 percent of the words are the same. maybe a little less.

Agree and moreover if a man is 30yo+ he betabuxx no matter what. At least in Russia you can get a young, hot girl and you don't have to settle for a used up whore in her 30s that is a radical feminist, emotionally unstable and men hater.

And in Europe the betabux is not just direct, it's also indirect. If you're a successful man you pay such high taxes to finance the welfare of women that you don't even get to fuck. That's retarded

 

[Someone]

I would be happy to discuss the leading coefficient of the SMV function as related to status and money, but I'm not much of a math guy. I'd rather have some nice girl on my dick instead.

Best of success to my fellow geomaxxers who are adventurous enough to go to EE

 

[Stellar_Travels]

Brother, the reason why Conor Clyne say that is because the men who are 5s and 6s are using their money/status to get the 7s and 8s. It is that with geomaxxing, the bar for what is considered having money is LOWER. In Ukraine, if you spend like 7K-8K USD a month, you are in that top 1% bracket. Spending 7K-8K USD per month in USA in a city like Miami is like being in upper middle class at best...no where near top 1%. I have watched his lives before and he said all his clients are millionaires, some deca-millionaires and one even a centi-millionaire. And if you are an average guy going for 7s and 8s, since their culture weigh the importance of money more than looks, by spending that type of money getting those types of girls is more achievable. Geomaxxing simply allows that money threshold to be lower.

Agree, I think in Moscow you need around 10,000$ per month. In Saint Petersburg probably around 7,000$ per month. Less than that and I don't think it's possible if he's after 7.5+ girls

That doesn't mean those girls are all gold diggers, but Russian women like all women in the planet prefer their own men so as a foreigner you must put more on the table than a local guy to make it worthwhile for a girl. And all beautiful girls nowadays have a list of men to choose from so you need to stand out among the crowd.

It might seem a lot of money but at least you can have a chance to date a beautiful girl and improve to chances to have beautiful kids. In the West it's basically impossible, even with 50,000$ per month....those girls are only after looks when young, the D&I policies along with welfare take care of their financial security and are such feminist that you just don't want to wife them up and have kids with them

 

[FuckMaxxxer]

Agree, I think in Moscow you need around 10,000$ per month. In Saint Petersburg probably around 7,000$ per month. Less than that and I don't think it's possible if he's after 7.5+ girls

lol no. 2-3k a month is a lot in Russia. Its bankrupt state.

 

[Stellar_Travels]

lol no. 2-3k a month is a lot in Russia. Its bankrupt state.

There is lots of money flowing in Moscow.
Even in Kiev a decade ago when I was there you needed at the very least 5k to get a beautiful girlfriend
Moscow is at the very minimum 10k....otherwise a girl will just choose a local guy, no reason to be with a foreigner that can't even speak her language, share her culture ecc

And btw the 10k isn't enough, you need to be inside local social circles otherwise it's all for nothing as you'll never meet the nice girls anyway

 

[EEmaxxer]

lol no. 2-3k a month is a lot in Russia. Its bankrupt state.

3K USD a month living long term as a normie in CE/EE will get you a girl within your looksmatch. Def not girls in the Stacey league.