The elephant in the room about Thailand/SEA (health risks)

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From some posts on Reddit: “Thailand has one of the highest risk to get infected with parasites on planet Earth. As a previous parasite owner, and a person who is working in this industry, I can guarantee up to 20% travellers return back home with some parasites. Not every species of worms are dangerous but some fact:

- over 10% locals infected with Opistorchiasis – liver fluke that is a principal reason of bile dust cancer. You can get it while eating fish (raw or restaurant cooked) or by eating in the restaurant where the fish or seafood is served. Flukes leaves in your bile dust for up to 25 years, symptomless. In most cases you have average skin issues or immune reaction, probably doctor will say "autoimmune disorder" but the real issue will be in flukes.
- Between 30-40% population is infected with soil transmitted hemlemnts, not all of them are dangerous, but for instance trichura whipworm is a typical reason of apendicide surgery and ascarisis can cause overall digestion issues
- There are other parasites illnesses like maleria, schistosomiasis, fasciolla etc.

The big issue, why it is not popular to talk about it, that parasite testing is broken. There is only one type of test which is good – stool qPCR molecular test with DNA analysis. It is expensive but has 90%+ sensitivity to most gut parasites.
Microscope analysis is crap, its sensitivity is poor, some species like hookworms can be found only in 18 / 100 infected patients.
Blood tests are useful after 2 weeks and no later than 6 months of receiving infections. Because antibodies doesn't last forever.

If you are in Thailand or was there last 10 years, and you have skin issues, digestion issues, fatigue, I would strongly recommend find a clinic, that makes a high quality qPCR test.”

“My wife was Thai and died from bile duct cancer 5 months after being diagnosed. She grew up in NE Thailand (Issan) and came to live in the US as an adult. I have seen flatworms in the water in her village when bathing and brushing my teeth. They’re very small so you can imagine how they’d easily enter the body. Obviously they ingest them through their food sources. Lots of fermented raw freshwater fish, freshwater snails etc. Food that I for the most part avoided. After she died I returned to Thailand to teach and a couple years later found myself having recurring digestive health issues

I live here and have to deworm myself at least once a year, but I’m on a mostly underdeveloped island. I also do dumb shit like eat live squid. I’m an adventurous foodie.

I’m sorry her doctors were dismissive at first. That happens a lot to women all over the world. I’m glad she found the answer. I can’t believe that many doctors knew this happened when she got back from Thailand and didn’t immediately put two and two together.

Main areas are Southeastern Asia and Siberia. Thailand and Novosibirsk are two locations of main research. The source of infection – fish located in riveres in that regions.

In light of this, I urge you to be vigilant when consuming fish or seafood and to seek medical advice if you experience unexplained dermatitis or other symptoms consistent with Opisthorchiasis. Together, we can raise awareness and prevent this insidious parasite from causing further harm.

As someone who has endured the suffering caused by tropical parasites, I am more than willing to answer any questions about parasites, their different species, and the challenges they pose to our health. Please feel free to reach out, and let's support one another in raising awareness and combating these silent threats.”

And this is the just the tip of the iceberg. There are other risks for food poisoning including parasites, worms and pathogens. If you think to eat at restaurants, there is no guarantee the food will be cooked in a proper/clean/sterile way. Not to mention a potential for gutter oil recycling from sewage or trash (but more common in China and Taiwan).
Moreover air pollution, dirty tap water or dirty pipes that carry them, brb boil water everytime to avoid bacteria exposure. Higher than average stds rates including antibiotics resistant stds, mosquitoes and bugs that carry malaria and typhus. Dogs with rabies. Hot humid shitty weather. Tranny posing as girls with fake vaginas.

Why do you think SEA/Thailand is so cheap? There is a hidden price to pay with your health on top of what you pay for expenses. And Thailand is not even good for LTR - If you try, good luck with facing lots of western chadlites competition - post covid the dating game become much harder. So all these risks to fuck some third world country jungle gooks whores?
 
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Cheap airbnbs- because its in a polluted poverty shithole with no clean water

Cheap food- cos it's shit cuts of meat and hyper processed ramen with worms and parasites in it

Lol
 
Is this really true or just propaganda
You don’t know the culture of China is to steal and lie? And that they don’t care about people/pedestrians lying down on the street that got hit by a car? Why do you think they care about their customers health? For them it’s profit over people. Now I’m not saying all places are doing it, but it’s a pretty common practice, you can read more about this on Wikipedia:


“It can be used to describe the illicit practice of restaurants reusing cooking oil that has already been cooked for longer than safety codes permit. It can also be used to describe the reprocessing of rancid yellow grease collected from sources such as restaurant fryers, kitchen, slaughterhouse wasteand sewer drains.[1][2]

The usage of gutter oil is highly frowned upon but rarely leads to prosecution. For example, selling gutter oil in China can result in lengthy prison sentences or the death sentence with reprieve. For example, in 2014, businessman Zhu Chuanfeng was sentenced to the latter for selling gutter oil.[3] That same year, a major gutter oil scandal was uncovered in Taiwan.[4] In 2015, Yeh Wen-hsiang, who was the chairman of a Taiwanese food company, was sentenced to 22 years imprisonment and fined the equivalent of $1.6 million for selling 243 tonnes of gutter oil.[5][6]

Health effects:

“Gutter oil has been shown to be toxic, causing diarrhea and abdominal pain. Long-term consumption of gutter oil may cause many foodborne illnesses because the oil may contain excessive amounts of cholesterol, trans-fats, toxic heavy metals and pathogens such as bacteria,[36]but also carcinogenic substances such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and aflatoxins,[21][35] and therefore lead to stomach and liver cancer.[34][22] Zeng Jing of the Guangdong Armed Police Hospital said of gutter oil: "Animal and vegetable fat in refined waste oil will undergo rancidity, oxidation and decomposition after contamination. It will cause indigestion, insomnia, liver discomfort and other symptoms."[35]

Due to rumours and the fear of Chinese customers of restaurants using gutter oil in their cooking, it has been reported that some people in China have resorted to bringing their own cooking oil with them from home into restaurants and instructing chefs to use their home-brought oil in their kitchen when preparing their food instead of the restaurant's own cooking oil.[37]
 
@jbw4life @predeterminism i just checked it. according to the economst thailand shockingly ranks last in food quality and safety in the asian pacific region. lower than laos and pakistan, that's really bad.

the score for china seems too high in this list - better than south korea and singapore? i doubt it. certainly rigged by the government.

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No wonder all chinks wanna come to UK and america
You don’t know the culture of China is to steal and lie? And that they don’t care about people/pedestrians lying down on the street that got hit by a car? Why do you think they care about their customers health? For them it’s profit over people. Now I’m not saying all places are doing it, but it’s a pretty common practice, you can read more about this on Wikipedia:


“It can be used to describe the illicit practice of restaurants reusing cooking oil that has already been cooked for longer than safety codes permit. It can also be used to describe the reprocessing of rancid yellow grease collected from sources such as restaurant fryers, kitchen, slaughterhouse wasteand sewer drains.[1][2]

The usage of gutter oil is highly frowned upon but rarely leads to prosecution. For example, selling gutter oil in China can result in lengthy prison sentences or the death sentence with reprieve. For example, in 2014, businessman Zhu Chuanfeng was sentenced to the latter for selling gutter oil.[3] That same year, a major gutter oil scandal was uncovered in Taiwan.[4] In 2015, Yeh Wen-hsiang, who was the chairman of a Taiwanese food company, was sentenced to 22 years imprisonment and fined the equivalent of $1.6 million for selling 243 tonnes of gutter oil.[5][6]

Health effects:

“Gutter oil has been shown to be toxic, causing diarrhea and abdominal pain. Long-term consumption of gutter oil may cause many foodborne illnesses because the oil may contain excessive amounts of cholesterol, trans-fats, toxic heavy metals and pathogens such as bacteria,[36]but also carcinogenic substances such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and aflatoxins,[21][35] and therefore lead to stomach and liver cancer.[34][22] Zeng Jing of the Guangdong Armed Police Hospital said of gutter oil: "Animal and vegetable fat in refined waste oil will undergo rancidity, oxidation and decomposition after contamination. It will cause indigestion, insomnia, liver discomfort and other symptoms."[35]

Due to rumours and the fear of Chinese customers of restaurants using gutter oil in their cooking, it has been reported that some people in China have resorted to bringing their own cooking oil with them from home into restaurants and instructing chefs to use their home-brought oil in their kitchen when preparing their food instead of the restaurant's own cooking oil.[37]
 
@jbw4life @predeterminism i just checked it. according to the economst thailand shockingly ranks last in food quality and safety in the asian pacific region. lower than laos and pakistan, that's really bad.

the score for china seems too high in this list - better than south korea and singapore? i doubt it. certainly rigged by the government.

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Yeah China larps everything lol
 
@jbw4life @predeterminism i just checked it. according to the economst thailand shockingly ranks last in food quality and safety in the asian pacific region. lower than laos and pakistan, that's really bad.

the score for china seems too high in this list - better than south korea and singapore? i doubt it. certainly rigged by the government.

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Wow great find. What a shithole
 
No wonder all chinks wanna come to UK and america
Yes, this is one of the reasons, but there are many other reasons... Including the economy, poverty, social status, political prosecution, lack of freedom of speech, etc. Living in a dictatorship with crazy rules and lots of competition. Great firewall of china blocking western websites. Also check other videos in that channel, that will tell you more about all these issues including the videos that show the recent big queues to the US embassies to get a visa.
 
Yes, this is one of the reasons, but there are many other reasons... Including the economy, poverty, social status, political prosecution, lack of freedom of speech, etc. Living in a dictatorship with crazy rules and lots of competition. Great firewall of china blocking western websites. Also check other videos in that channel, that will tell you more about all these issues including the videos that show the recent big queues to the US embassies to get a visa.
But muh China is taking over the west bro
 
@jbw4life @predeterminism i just checked it. according to the economst thailand shockingly ranks last in food quality and safety in the asian pacific region. lower than laos and pakistan, that's really bad.

the score for china seems too high in this list - better than south korea and singapore? i doubt it. certainly rigged by the government.

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Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. I don’t think the girls there are worth putting your health at risk and worrying what food/water you put in your mouth or the air you breath. You have to be super desperate and careless to go there overlooking all these hazards. You might as well fuck escorts in the west, it will be more health/cost effective in the long run.
 
propaganda lol
Doesn’t seem like to me:


Gutter oil, trench oil, sewer oil and tainted oil(Chinese: 地沟油 / 地溝油; pinyin: dìgōu yóu, or 餿水油; sōushuǐ yóu) are Chinese slang terms primarily used in China and Taiwan to refer to recycled oil.”

“Some lower-market restaurants have long-term purchase agreements with oil recyclers for selling their used oil.[33] Low-end restaurants and street vendors are the biggest end users of gutter oil, as they operate with lower profit margins than bigger restaurants. Oil is a large kitchen supply cost for some restaurants, so obtaining cheaper oil can allow a marginal restaurant to reduce its overall expenses. Chinese food is generally heavily dependent on oil due to most foods being fried, so cheaper meal prices for many price-sensitive consumers are possible if gutter oil is used instead of virgin oil.[34] The situation becomes more serious because it is hard to distinguish reprocessed gutter oil from legitimate oil. Bleach is used to transform gutter oil's dark color into a more natural-looking one, and alkali additives are used to neutralize the abnormal pH caused by high concentrations of animal fats.[8]

Used kitchen oil can be purchased for between $859 and $937 per ton, while the cleaned and refined product can sell for $1,560 per ton.[35] Thus there is great economic incentive to produce and sell gutter oil.”

Some recent articles about it:



 
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Doesn’t seem like to me:


Gutter oil, trench oil, sewer oil and tainted oil(Chinese: 地沟油 / 地溝油; pinyin: dìgōu yóu, or 餿水油; sōushuǐ yóu) are Chinese slang terms primarily used in China and Taiwan to refer to recycled oil.”

“Some lower-market restaurants have long-term purchase agreements with oil recyclers for selling their used oil.[33] Low-end restaurants and street vendors are the biggest end users of gutter oil, as they operate with lower profit margins than bigger restaurants. Oil is a large kitchen supply cost for some restaurants, so obtaining cheaper oil can allow a marginal restaurant to reduce its overall expenses. Chinese food is generally heavily dependent on oil due to most foods being fried, so cheaper meal prices for many price-sensitive consumers are possible if gutter oil is used instead of virgin oil.[34] The situation becomes more serious because it is hard to distinguish reprocessed gutter oil from legitimate oil. Bleach is used to transform gutter oil's dark color into a more natural-looking one, and alkali additives are used to neutralize the abnormal pH caused by high concentrations of animal fats.[8]

Used kitchen oil can be purchased for between $859 and $937 per ton, while the cleaned and refined product can sell for $1,560 per ton.[35] Thus there is great economic incentive to produce and sell gutter oil.”

Some recent articles about it:



News articles aren't a reliable source of information tbh
 
News articles aren't a reliable source of information tbh
Right because you think China will allow anyone to investigate this practice and advertise the results just like they did with the covid origins?

They lie about everything they even stopped advertising the young adults unemployment rates since it was becoming too dire.

@AlexBrown84 is a naive mf and biased because he’s in China.
 
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Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. I don’t think the girls there are worth putting your health at risk and worrying what food/water you put in your mouth or the air you breath. You have to be super desperate and careless to go there overlooking all these hazards.
yea man it's disappointing. i think i will skip on thailand this year and leave "Handsome 1" and "Handsome 2" to you guys :LOL:
 
Right because you think China will allow anyone to investigate this practice and advertise the results just like they did with the covid origins?

They lie about everything they even stopped advertising the young adults unemployment rates since it was becoming too dire.

@AlexBrown84 is a naive mf and biased because he’s in China.
decouple from your biases and take a neutral view of china considering you’ve never been
 
decouple from your biases and take a neutral view of china considering you’ve never been
Please enlighten me what’s the real China is like. All these things are just made up biases and propaganda. The real China must be amazing. Tell me all about it 🤣 They sell all kind of animals in their wet markets including Pangolin, Dogs, Bats soups and Cats. Probably the cleanest place in the world. The rating on the Economist Impact must be real. 😂
 
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Yep. The main reason I left Vietnam was the fear that my health would decline fairly quickly there down to the pollution and food standards.
 
Yep. The main reason I left Vietnam was the fear that my health would decline fairly quickly there down to the pollution and food standards.
hm, it looks alright in the food quality and safety ranking. i didn't have any issues there. did you get food poisoned or something?
 
hm, it looks alright in the food quality and safety ranking. i didn't have any issues there. did you get food poisoned or something?
It was an Inhospitable enviornment for a Westener to stay for the long term. Plus, the people and women didn't want anything to do with me except to drain me of my money.
 
Don't eat raw fish guys
DON"T eat the fish from those little stalls period! You realise, poor niggers go and catch catfish (ESPECIALLY catfish and whatever is the local popular fish) from the infested polluted waters near these area's and then sell em to the stalls for money.

they do that in indo. And fuck that. im surprised they dont' come out looking like the homersimpson fish
 

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DON"T eat the fish from those little stalls period! You realise, poor niggers go and catch catfish (ESPECIALLY catfish and whatever is the local popular fish) from the infested polluted waters near these area's and then sell em to the stalls for money.

they do that in indo. And fuck that. im surprised they dont' come out looking like the homersimpson fish
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Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. I don’t think the girls there are worth putting your health at risk and worrying what food/water you put in your mouth or the air you breath. You have to be super desperate and careless to go there overlooking all these hazards. You might as well fuck escorts in the west, it will be more health/cost effective in the long run.
I think Thailand is safe enough given people cook their own food and drink bottled water in a nice apartment. I don't see how that can result in compromised health, especially when cities like Bangkok are very well maintained and the infrastructure is top notch for SEA.

Overall, good post.
 
I think Thailand is safe enough given people cook their own food and drink bottled water in a nice apartment. I don't see how that can result in compromised health, especially when cities like Bangkok are very well maintained and the infrastructure is top notch for SEA.

Overall, good post.
Thank you. What stores do you recommend to buy food from in Bangkok? Do they carry western food? Is it relatively expensive?
 
I think Thailand is safe enough given people cook their own food and drink bottled water in a nice apartment. I don't see how that can result in compromised health, especially when cities like Bangkok are very well maintained and the infrastructure is top notch for SEA.

Overall, good post.
well maintained and top notch?
Bangkok has no sidewalks ffs, and it's full of rats everywhere
 
well maintained and top notch?
Bangkok has no sidewalks ffs, and it's full of rats everywhere
almost everywhere, as a westerner with western money you can live in 1st world area of bangkok in luxurious apartments
you can have a concierge, cleaning lady, gym, pool for half of the western price
one of the reasons why these quality of life statistics are kinda useless
 
almost everywhere, as a westerner with western money you can live in 1st world area of bangkok in luxurious apartments
you can have a concierge, cleaning lady, gym, pool for half of the western price
one of the reasons why these quality of life statistics are kinda useless
Yeah I mean I kind of want a huge slum to look at. I want to fly a disposable drone through firefights in the neon undercity. Brutal poverty done right enhances the contrast with luxury.
 
almost everywhere, as a westerner with western money you can live in 1st world area of bangkok in luxurious apartments
you can have a concierge, cleaning lady, gym, pool for half of the western price
one of the reasons why these quality of life statistics are kinda useless
Could you recommend some areas like that in Bangkok? How much these could cost per month?
 
Could you recommend some areas like that in Bangkok? How much these could cost per month?
look for sathon on some rental pages, also ekkamai which is kinda expensive and i didnt like it that much its not very luxurious you just pay the price for being surrounded by high salary expats
 
look for sathon on some rental pages, also ekkamai which is kinda expensive and i didnt like it that much its not very luxurious you just pay the price for being surrounded by high salary expats
northern green line is much better, and the expats you see around there are much more stable than the foolishness of the asoke area
 
well maintained and top notch?
Bangkok has no sidewalks ffs, and it's full of rats everywhere
keyword top notch for sea

the only other place that has it clearly beaten is singapore

and then maybe kuala lumpur
 
@jbw4life @predeterminism i just checked it. according to the economst thailand shockingly ranks last in food quality and safety in the asian pacific region. lower than laos and pakistan, that's really bad.

the score for china seems too high in this list - better than south korea and singapore? i doubt it. certainly rigged by the government.
Yeah, this ranking seems fishy. Thailand has many more micro-eateries and street cooking setups than Malaysia does, true. Rarely do they have clean tile floors like Malaysian restaurants usually do. Who gives a fuck, I'm not eating off the floor. Food handling practices across the two countries aren't all that different. I experienced a lot of gut irritation in Thailand, but that was more due to a munchies-fueled compulsion to eat everything that caught my eye. Fat people can digest ginormous quantities of food, but skinnyfags who overeat end up passing undigested food into their lower gut, which irritates it...particularly when said food is greasy spicy Thai cuisine.

Parasites are more a problem in primitive areas outside cities. I'm not sure if that'll be an issue when exploring Laos. Good idea to pack one of those filters just in case. AFAIK, proper cooking destroys parasite cysts in fish, though I often wake up drenched in sweat after eating a fish caught in contaminated water.

Foreigners who eat raw seafood are as stupid as those who eat out a whore's asshole and get a nasty mouth infection.
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Bangkok has lots of sidewalks, IDK what that guy is on about. I love walking around Thai cities because of how few locals walk, I have the sidewalk to myself. Kanchanaburi was the only Thai city where I had to trudge along the dirty gutter or the roadside weeds. It was also the only Thai city where A/C units weren't worth a damn, my rooms there never dipped below 26 C. Pic below is a typical major street in Bangkok.
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Even a podunk little Thai city like Lop Buri is quite walkable, though you often have to detour around parked motorbikes or vendor setups.
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No need to buy bottled water in Thailand, you can put 2 baht in a water vending machine and get 3 liters of good water. Being a weed smoker who takes long walks, I go through a gallon of water a day in Thailand. Makes sense to carry a jug around and refill it as needed.
 
Yeah, this ranking seems fishy. Thailand has many more micro-eateries and street cooking setups than Malaysia does, true. Rarely do they have clean tile floors like Malaysian restaurants usually do. Who gives a fuck, I'm not eating off the floor. Food handling practices across the two countries aren't all that different. I experienced a lot of gut irritation in Thailand, but that was more due to a munchies-fueled compulsion to eat everything that caught my eye. Fat people can digest ginormous quantities of food, but skinnyfags who overeat end up passing undigested food into their lower gut, which irritates it...particularly when said food is greasy spicy Thai cuisine.

Parasites are more a problem in primitive areas outside cities. I'm not sure if that'll be an issue when exploring Laos. Good idea to pack one of those filters just in case. AFAIK, proper cooking destroys parasite cysts in fish, though I often wake up drenched in sweat after eating a fish caught in contaminated water.

Foreigners who eat raw seafood are as stupid as those who eat out a whore's asshole and get a nasty mouth infection.
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Bangkok has lots of sidewalks, IDK what that guy is on about. I love walking around Thai cities because of how few locals walk, I have the sidewalk to myself. Kanchanaburi was the only Thai city where I had to trudge along the dirty gutter or the roadside weeds. It was also the only Thai city where A/C units weren't worth a damn, my rooms there never dipped below 26 C. Pic below is a typical major street in Bangkok.
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Even a podunk little Thai city like Lop Buri is quite walkable, though you often have to detour around parked motorbikes or vendor setups.
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No need to buy bottled water in Thailand, you can put 2 baht in a water vending machine and get 3 liters of good water. Being a weed smoker who takes long walks, I go through a gallon of water a day in Thailand. Makes sense to carry a jug around and refill it as needed.
What do you think about the forever chemicals that exist inside the water? I know it’s a problem in the west too, but it seems to be much worse problem in Thailand especially that they illegally dump toxic chemicals to water sources from their vast textile industry.

Some old research paper about this:


Mentioned that “The paper reveals that PFAS water pollution occurs in Thailand. **One study found five types of PFAS in bottled water in Bangkok with concentrations between 3.31 – 25.79 ppt**. PFOA was the predominant PFAS found. Ironically, the concentration of PFAS in bottled water was higher than that of tap water.”
 
Are there big barriers to just grabbing girls to-go?
Like if I just wanted to live somewhere cheap but safer or cleaner, how hard would it be to take a girl from one spot over to a different country. Like she'd just be a tourist, right? Or is it just easier coming from the first world? Would cheap countries accept a long-term tourist from a poor country, as long as her man was paying well?
 

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