@Rance

bittersweet

Well-known Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2024
Messages
201
Reaction score
207
Why do you want to move to China so bad. You have a stem degree in the best place in the world. Wouldn't climbing the ladder there for a bit would be better. If you stay in China you'll get locked in there especially English teaching. You could realistically go anywhere once you have experience. I'd kill to be in your position. A degree in EE means nothing unless lawyer, med or comp sci.
 
Why do you want to move to China so bad. You have a stem degree in the best place in the world. Wouldn't climbing the ladder there for a bit would be better. If you stay in China you'll get locked in there especially English teaching. You could realistically go anywhere once you have experience. I'd kill to be in your position. A degree in EE means nothing unless lawyer, med or comp sci.
I remember you somewhat; are you from Estonia?
 
One man's trash is another man's treasure, and all that stuff. I did try the desk job life. I started out of university doing a pretty good paying job from home while getting my master's degree. Got the degree and moved to another job that even paid a bit more, a hybrid role. A great path for building wealth but at what cost? The everyday life is a slog. Sit at a computer and run SQL queries for hours, pull out an iPad to test our mobile app and fill a spreadsheet with user interface bugs, attend a meeting with some annoying ladies from the merchandising department yapping about how "we need new functionalityyy". Lunch break rolls around and I have to choose between hanging out with normies at Buffalo Wild Wings who won't stop talking about football, or hanging out with the Indians in the lunchroom who I can only understand like 40%. I never really fit in or felt satisfied, and it wasn't just my office, it's like this everywhere. Fact was that my happiness level was really low no matter what I did.

One thing about working in a corporate role, especially in IT, is that you have to be interested in what you do if you want to advance. IT guys are generally interested in computers. I thought I was, but I'm not really. When I went home I wanted to study Japanese, not learn database architecture schemas. I am a bit non-NT and have to focus on what "gets me going". What gets me going is learning languages, communicating with people, teaching, and helping people learn softer concepts. To my advantage, another one of my obsessions is dating and women, which is why I enjoy "game" and post so much on this forum.

Yes, no work is "easy" and at the end of the day it's still work. I have no illusions about living an "easy life" or shirking my responsibilities. But there is a difference in feeling between "that was a hard day, but I worked hard and did what I do best" ... versus the pin-pricking frustration of "what am I doing here... every second is meaningless". You can tell a lot by how fast the clock seems to move while you're working.

My ideal goal for the future would be to return to an office environment, but one where my main responsibilities involve speaking multiple languages, working with international clients, consulting on international business or cross-cultural communication, and training. This could be in the form of something like a corporate language trainer, or even something like working at a business like Duolingo that combines IT concepts with language learning. A very lofty goal would be developing an English-learning SaaS on my own because I have some big ideas about the best ways to learn English, and the development skills to make it a reality. Moving to China and doing TEFL is an unorthodox path for achieving this, but man, I'm getting older. I can't just sit around and hope for the future anymore. I need to go do what I love and figure out the rest as I go along.

Yes, I make no mistake in realizing I'm very privileged to be where I am and I always remember where I came from. I'm lucky to even have the choice to throw away my career and do something else. I have no debt, and a little bit of savings. Can't say the same for others who might need to work for the highest bidder even if they hate it.

A rambling and scatterbrained post for sure, but maybe that's because I don't fully understand myself or my situation either.
 
TLDR;
It’s not all about money. Time and freedom are the most important resources we have
I see this regretful cohort of 40 year old white balding dudes in middle management who make $150k a year. Maybe win a little industry award, get featured at a trade show. Get married to a decent looking lady and have a couple kids in the suburbs. Have a billiards table in the basement where you can watch Sunday night football, get choosy with hoppy craft beer. CEO meets with you and gives you the honor of overseeing a new product for the company, wow, I'm so thankful for this opportunity. Maybe I can afford to buy a BMW and take a couple laps around the cul-de-sac, blast some yacht rock out the windows, that would be radical, man. Oh, the misses is out of town, maybe I'll dare to watch some porn...

This is the future I see for myself if I stay in the U.S. and I do NOT like it

There is this satire song by Jonathan Coulton I liked when I was a teenager. I didn't understand it back then but now it more or less addresses my feelings:

1740547120323.png
 
Last edited:
TLDR;
It’s not all about money. Time and freedom are the most important resources we have
You can only buy it with money though. Busting your ass off early always seemed better. Getting experience at say amazon or some well known accounting company gives you leverage. Not that I'm qualified for any of this shit.
 
@Rance you cooked, I don't think much people here have corporate life experience but it is literally so draining if you are wired just a little different, and not draining in the way that everyone who hates their job does but more so you look around wondering is this really it and my life for the next 30 years

The thing is while money can be difficult to make by yourself you at least have a chance, versus burning years of your life away, time will never come back to you
 
One man's trash is another man's treasure, and all that stuff. I did try the desk job life. I started out of university doing a pretty good paying job from home while getting my master's degree. Got the degree and moved to another job that even paid a bit more, a hybrid role. A great path for building wealth but at what cost? The everyday life is a slog. Sit at a computer and run SQL queries for hours, pull out an iPad to test our mobile app and fill a spreadsheet with user interface bugs, attend a meeting with some annoying ladies from the merchandising department yapping about how "we need new functionalityyy". Lunch break rolls around and I have to choose between hanging out with normies at Buffalo Wild Wings who won't stop talking about football, or hanging out with the Indians in the lunchroom who I can only understand like 40%. I never really fit in or felt satisfied, and it wasn't just my office, it's like this everywhere. Fact was that my happiness level was really low no matter what I did.

One thing about working in a corporate role, especially in IT, is that you have to be interested in what you do if you want to advance. IT guys are generally interested in computers. I thought I was, but I'm not really. When I went home I wanted to study Japanese, not learn database architecture schemas. I am a bit non-NT and have to focus on what "gets me going". What gets me going is learning languages, communicating with people, teaching, and helping people learn softer concepts. To my advantage, another one of my obsessions is dating and women, which is why I enjoy "game" and post so much on this forum.

Yes, no work is "easy" and at the end of the day it's still work. I have no illusions about living an "easy life" or shirking my responsibilities. But there is a difference in feeling between "that was a hard day, but I worked hard and did what I do best" ... versus the pin-pricking frustration of "what am I doing here... every second is meaningless". You can tell a lot by how fast the clock seems to move while you're working.

My ideal goal for the future would be to return to an office environment, but one where my main responsibilities involve speaking multiple languages, working with international clients, consulting on international business or cross-cultural communication, and training. This could be in the form of something like a corporate language trainer, or even something like working at a business like Duolingo that combines IT concepts with language learning. A very lofty goal would be developing an English-learning SaaS on my own because I have some big ideas about the best ways to learn English, and the development skills to make it a reality. Moving to China and doing TEFL is an unorthodox path for achieving this, but man, I'm getting older. I can't just sit around and hope for the future anymore. I need to go do what I love and figure out the rest as I go along.

Yes, I make no mistake in realizing I'm very privileged to be where I am and I always remember where I came from. I'm lucky to even have the choice to throw away my career and do something else. I have no debt, and a little bit of savings. Can't say the same for others who might need to work for the highest bidder even if they hate it.

A rambling and scatterbrained post for sure, but maybe that's because I don't fully understand myself or my situation either.
Yeah I'm pretty set on moving to China by EOY after getting my BA in IT. Fuck that. I'm physically incapable of doing things "the normal way" too often; I derive no inherent pleasure in knowing I'm doing something out of conformity. I want to look back on my life and wonder what the fuck just happened.

I also think I'd enjoy it quite a bit. This has kinda been touched on in other threads: it's kind of crazy the personality shift you may experience after geomaxxing for a prolonged period of time and seeing your SMV go from, say, a 5 to a 6 like in my case. Especially in China. Suddenly all the attraction cues you've heard about come rolling in and people seem genuinely interested in getting to know you, people approach you, ask to take pictures with you and call you handsome, etc. Nobody knows you (or knows each other) and you can totally reinvent yourself. I started to become way more extraverted and had my ego inflated lol. So imagine the reverse culture shock when I flew back to the midwest last autumn from HK, lol. (Although you've been in Japan for years).

Driving to and from an office in frozen hell in the middle of nowhere 5 days a week, blah blah blah you've heard it all before, but people have too much momentum/investment in their career, student debt, etc. to even begin to contrive their idea of a better life let alone some sort of actionable plan to achieve it after their energy is drained after wagecucking all day. I think we all kinda think we went into an alternate dimension after covid/2020 because damn these 4/5 years went by pretty damn quickly and I'd rather not repeat it. As someone who's (previously) had the "luxury" to spend prolonged periods of time NEETing, spending a lot of time in intense study/contemplation about random lofty things all day and has rarely held a stable job for too long (I'm more than capable, don't get me wrong), I suppose I look at work with more childish eyes and don't take the negative, time-dilating mental effects for granted; it doesn't hit everyone in the face, and a stockholm syndrome type effect builds up. It's easy enough for people to superficially espouse truisms like "money doesn't buy happiness" and go on with their normie 9-5 lives, but if you really believe that you should put your money where your mouth is and find a way to prioritize lifestyle/dreams. Exploration and novel experience is the essence of life. Self-oriented expression of creativity and imagination opens your mind to view the world as a source of wonder
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top