Story Mandarin kicked my ass, training arc starts now

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Been back in the U.S. for a few months now. Been rotting at my parents’ place, sending out job apps, doing fuck all with my life. Needless to say I have not been up to anything interesting, especially compared to the degenerate hedonism I had going on in Japan.

But this past weekend, I broke the cycle a bit. Visited my ex (second gen Korean), stayed at her place all weekend. Hit a few nice restaurants, drank at some bars dry, wandered around the city. Taught her how to install qBittorrent and pirate video games.

The real highlight of the weekend though, was ending up at a Chinese KTV bar late Saturday.

We walk in looking for a private karaoke room. Nope they're all booked. But the bar’s open, and it has a karaoke machine, which is unusual. Didn’t know bar-style karaoke was a thing in the U.S. We take a seat, place is pretty active, Chinese music videos looping on big screens, bartenders chatting up a couple Chinese girls. And this is where I see my shot.

I’ve been grinding Mandarin for months but never actually used it in the wild. So I drink a bit, then hit the bartender with some Chinese: just a basic "are you guys Chinese?" The girl next to me freaks "holy shit, he’s speaking chinese!!" and suddenly I’m in. We start talking, Mandarin and English back and forth. Then I find out she’s flying to Japan tomorrow, so now we’re talking in Japanese. Insane. But the whole time, my Mandarin is just not clicking. I’m keeping up, but just barely. I feel slow.

I turn back to the bartender, try to ask him about Chinese rappers. He doesn’t understand, I repeat myself. "Sichuan rappers?" And I'm lucky, he’s from Sichuan. Perfect, this is my moment. I try to tell him my favorite rapper is from there too, but my Mandarin shits itself, and after stumbling over my words twice, I just give up. He turns away and goes back to talking with the girls.

Later, I get up and try to sing a song in Chinese. Try my best. Embarrass myself. Sit back down. Make up for it with some glorious Japanese singing, but still.

And yeah, the whole night was frustrating as hell. But the frustration is exactly why it was valuable.

This is how language learning actually works. You don’t just grind flashcards, watch anime with subtitles off, or sit in a classroom memorizing grammar points. You go out, you try to communicate, and you fail hard. You fumble a sentence, get a confused look, lose the moment, feel like an idiot. You sit there knowing exactly what you wanted to say, but the words didn’t come out. And that failure burns really bad!

That feeling is humiliation and missed opportunity. It's absolute disgust with your own incompetence. That is the single greatest motivator for learning a language.

Nobody learns a language out of casual interest. You learn it because you’ve sat in a bar trying to talk to someone you want to talk to and realized you can’t. Because you had a shot at making a connection. At impressing someone, at making a friend, at pulling a girl, at just being in the moment. You weren’t good enough. Because that feeling haunts you all the way home, and the next day, you wake up and need to fix it.

That’s the process. You get humbled, you stew in it, and you come back hungry. Since the weekend I've been grinding three times as hard. If you're not feeling these feelings, you need to put yourself in situations where you DO feel these feelings.
 
Been back in the U.S. for a few months now. Been rotting at my parents’ place, sending out job apps, doing fuck all with my life. Needless to say I have not been up to anything interesting, especially compared to the degenerate hedonism I had going on in Japan.

But this past weekend, I broke the cycle a bit. Visited my ex (second gen Korean), stayed at her place all weekend. Hit a few nice restaurants, drank at some bars dry, wandered around the city. Taught her how to install qBittorrent and pirate video games.

The real highlight of the weekend though, was ending up at a Chinese KTV bar late Saturday.

We walk in looking for a private karaoke room. Nope they're all booked. But the bar’s open, and it has a karaoke machine, which is unusual. Didn’t know bar-style karaoke was a thing in the U.S. We take a seat, place is pretty active, Chinese music videos looping on big screens, bartenders chatting up a couple Chinese girls. And this is where I see my shot.

I’ve been grinding Mandarin for months but never actually used it in the wild. So I drink a bit, then hit the bartender with some Chinese: just a basic "are you guys Chinese?" The girl next to me freaks "holy shit, he’s speaking chinese!!" and suddenly I’m in. We start talking, Mandarin and English back and forth. Then I find out she’s flying to Japan tomorrow, so now we’re talking in Japanese. Insane. But the whole time, my Mandarin is just not clicking. I’m keeping up, but just barely. I feel slow.

I turn back to the bartender, try to ask him about Chinese rappers. He doesn’t understand, I repeat myself. "Sichuan rappers?" And I'm lucky, he’s from Sichuan. Perfect, this is my moment. I try to tell him my favorite rapper is from there too, but my Mandarin shits itself, and after stumbling over my words twice, I just give up. He turns away and goes back to talking with the girls.

Later, I get up and try to sing a song in Chinese. Try my best. Embarrass myself. Sit back down. Make up for it with some glorious Japanese singing, but still.

And yeah, the whole night was frustrating as hell. But the frustration is exactly why it was valuable.

This is how language learning actually works. You don’t just grind flashcards, watch anime with subtitles off, or sit in a classroom memorizing grammar points. You go out, you try to communicate, and you fail hard. You fumble a sentence, get a confused look, lose the moment, feel like an idiot. You sit there knowing exactly what you wanted to say, but the words didn’t come out. And that failure burns really bad!

That feeling is humiliation and missed opportunity. It's absolute disgust with your own incompetence. That is the single greatest motivator for learning a language.

Nobody learns a language out of casual interest. You learn it because you’ve sat in a bar trying to talk to someone you want to talk to and realized you can’t. Because you had a shot at making a connection. At impressing someone, at making a friend, at pulling a girl, at just being in the moment. You weren’t good enough. Because that feeling haunts you all the way home, and the next day, you wake up and need to fix it.

That’s the process. You get humbled, you stew in it, and you come back hungry. Since the weekend I've been grinding three times as hard. If you're not feeling these feelings, you need to put yourself in situations where you DO feel these feelings.
Immediately stoped reading after you noted you met a korean girl in the west.
 
Been back in the U.S. for a few months now. Been rotting at my parents’ place, sending out job apps, doing fuck all with my life. Needless to say I have not been up to anything interesting, especially compared to the degenerate hedonism I had going on in Japan.

But this past weekend, I broke the cycle a bit. Visited my ex (second gen Korean), stayed at her place all weekend. Hit a few nice restaurants, drank at some bars dry, wandered around the city. Taught her how to install qBittorrent and pirate video games.

The real highlight of the weekend though, was ending up at a Chinese KTV bar late Saturday.

We walk in looking for a private karaoke room. Nope they're all booked. But the bar’s open, and it has a karaoke machine, which is unusual. Didn’t know bar-style karaoke was a thing in the U.S. We take a seat, place is pretty active, Chinese music videos looping on big screens, bartenders chatting up a couple Chinese girls. And this is where I see my shot.

I’ve been grinding Mandarin for months but never actually used it in the wild. So I drink a bit, then hit the bartender with some Chinese: just a basic "are you guys Chinese?" The girl next to me freaks "holy shit, he’s speaking chinese!!" and suddenly I’m in. We start talking, Mandarin and English back and forth. Then I find out she’s flying to Japan tomorrow, so now we’re talking in Japanese. Insane. But the whole time, my Mandarin is just not clicking. I’m keeping up, but just barely. I feel slow.

I turn back to the bartender, try to ask him about Chinese rappers. He doesn’t understand, I repeat myself. "Sichuan rappers?" And I'm lucky, he’s from Sichuan. Perfect, this is my moment. I try to tell him my favorite rapper is from there too, but my Mandarin shits itself, and after stumbling over my words twice, I just give up. He turns away and goes back to talking with the girls.

Later, I get up and try to sing a song in Chinese. Try my best. Embarrass myself. Sit back down. Make up for it with some glorious Japanese singing, but still.

And yeah, the whole night was frustrating as hell. But the frustration is exactly why it was valuable.

This is how language learning actually works. You don’t just grind flashcards, watch anime with subtitles off, or sit in a classroom memorizing grammar points. You go out, you try to communicate, and you fail hard. You fumble a sentence, get a confused look, lose the moment, feel like an idiot. You sit there knowing exactly what you wanted to say, but the words didn’t come out. And that failure burns really bad!

That feeling is humiliation and missed opportunity. It's absolute disgust with your own incompetence. That is the single greatest motivator for learning a language.

Nobody learns a language out of casual interest. You learn it because you’ve sat in a bar trying to talk to someone you want to talk to and realized you can’t. Because you had a shot at making a connection. At impressing someone, at making a friend, at pulling a girl, at just being in the moment. You weren’t good enough. Because that feeling haunts you all the way home, and the next day, you wake up and need to fix it.

That’s the process. You get humbled, you stew in it, and you come back hungry. Since the weekend I've been grinding three times as hard. If you're not feeling these feelings, you need to put yourself in situations where you DO feel these feelings.
Stop being a cuck learning mandarin, they speak english in the big cities
 
Yeah and they "speak English" in Tokyo too but you're cooked if you don't speak Japanese. I highly doubt Chinese cities are all too different
If a tall HTN came to China and Japan do you think he would be cooked? We all know the answer.
 
Been back in the U.S. for a few months now. Been rotting at my parents’ place, sending out job apps, doing fuck all with my life. Needless to say I have not been up to anything interesting, especially compared to the degenerate hedonism I had going on in Japan.

But this past weekend, I broke the cycle a bit. Visited my ex (second gen Korean), stayed at her place all weekend. Hit a few nice restaurants, drank at some bars dry, wandered around the city. Taught her how to install qBittorrent and pirate video games.

The real highlight of the weekend though, was ending up at a Chinese KTV bar late Saturday.

We walk in looking for a private karaoke room. Nope they're all booked. But the bar’s open, and it has a karaoke machine, which is unusual. Didn’t know bar-style karaoke was a thing in the U.S. We take a seat, place is pretty active, Chinese music videos looping on big screens, bartenders chatting up a couple Chinese girls. And this is where I see my shot.

I’ve been grinding Mandarin for months but never actually used it in the wild. So I drink a bit, then hit the bartender with some Chinese: just a basic "are you guys Chinese?" The girl next to me freaks "holy shit, he’s speaking chinese!!" and suddenly I’m in. We start talking, Mandarin and English back and forth. Then I find out she’s flying to Japan tomorrow, so now we’re talking in Japanese. Insane. But the whole time, my Mandarin is just not clicking. I’m keeping up, but just barely. I feel slow.

I turn back to the bartender, try to ask him about Chinese rappers. He doesn’t understand, I repeat myself. "Sichuan rappers?" And I'm lucky, he’s from Sichuan. Perfect, this is my moment. I try to tell him my favorite rapper is from there too, but my Mandarin shits itself, and after stumbling over my words twice, I just give up. He turns away and goes back to talking with the girls.

Later, I get up and try to sing a song in Chinese. Try my best. Embarrass myself. Sit back down. Make up for it with some glorious Japanese singing, but still.

And yeah, the whole night was frustrating as hell. But the frustration is exactly why it was valuable.

This is how language learning actually works. You don’t just grind flashcards, watch anime with subtitles off, or sit in a classroom memorizing grammar points. You go out, you try to communicate, and you fail hard. You fumble a sentence, get a confused look, lose the moment, feel like an idiot. You sit there knowing exactly what you wanted to say, but the words didn’t come out. And that failure burns really bad!

That feeling is humiliation and missed opportunity. It's absolute disgust with your own incompetence. That is the single greatest motivator for learning a language.

Nobody learns a language out of casual interest. You learn it because you’ve sat in a bar trying to talk to someone you want to talk to and realized you can’t. Because you had a shot at making a connection. At impressing someone, at making a friend, at pulling a girl, at just being in the moment. You weren’t good enough. Because that feeling haunts you all the way home, and the next day, you wake up and need to fix it.

That’s the process. You get humbled, you stew in it, and you come back hungry. Since the weekend I've been grinding three times as hard. If you're not feeling these feelings, you need to put yourself in situations where you DO feel these feelings.
you are right, the need for words. its' sorta how i learn. If you get get up infront of people and sing in a language you barely know. Good for you. braver than me.

but ya, i learn by doing. Need a beer. yo quiero una cervesa (I want a beer). Eventually you want to sound more local, quiero una trago (want a drink)
aku mau bir bintang. (i want a bintang beer)

from there, you drink with a glass

so you need to learn how to say "i want" which you already learned and "glass" quiero taza or mau "glas".

you can add a please and thank you, you just learn from there
 
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Been back in the U.S. for a few months now. Been rotting at my parents’ place, sending out job apps, doing fuck all with my life. Needless to say I have not been up to anything interesting, especially compared to the degenerate hedonism I had going on in Japan.

But this past weekend, I broke the cycle a bit. Visited my ex (second gen Korean), stayed at her place all weekend. Hit a few nice restaurants, drank at some bars dry, wandered around the city. Taught her how to install qBittorrent and pirate video games.

The real highlight of the weekend though, was ending up at a Chinese KTV bar late Saturday.

We walk in looking for a private karaoke room. Nope they're all booked. But the bar’s open, and it has a karaoke machine, which is unusual. Didn’t know bar-style karaoke was a thing in the U.S. We take a seat, place is pretty active, Chinese music videos looping on big screens, bartenders chatting up a couple Chinese girls. And this is where I see my shot.

I’ve been grinding Mandarin for months but never actually used it in the wild. So I drink a bit, then hit the bartender with some Chinese: just a basic "are you guys Chinese?" The girl next to me freaks "holy shit, he’s speaking chinese!!" and suddenly I’m in. We start talking, Mandarin and English back and forth. Then I find out she’s flying to Japan tomorrow, so now we’re talking in Japanese. Insane. But the whole time, my Mandarin is just not clicking. I’m keeping up, but just barely. I feel slow.

I turn back to the bartender, try to ask him about Chinese rappers. He doesn’t understand, I repeat myself. "Sichuan rappers?" And I'm lucky, he’s from Sichuan. Perfect, this is my moment. I try to tell him my favorite rapper is from there too, but my Mandarin shits itself, and after stumbling over my words twice, I just give up. He turns away and goes back to talking with the girls.

Later, I get up and try to sing a song in Chinese. Try my best. Embarrass myself. Sit back down. Make up for it with some glorious Japanese singing, but still.

And yeah, the whole night was frustrating as hell. But the frustration is exactly why it was valuable.

This is how language learning actually works. You don’t just grind flashcards, watch anime with subtitles off, or sit in a classroom memorizing grammar points. You go out, you try to communicate, and you fail hard. You fumble a sentence, get a confused look, lose the moment, feel like an idiot. You sit there knowing exactly what you wanted to say, but the words didn’t come out. And that failure burns really bad!

That feeling is humiliation and missed opportunity. It's absolute disgust with your own incompetence. That is the single greatest motivator for learning a language.

Nobody learns a language out of casual interest. You learn it because you’ve sat in a bar trying to talk to someone you want to talk to and realized you can’t. Because you had a shot at making a connection. At impressing someone, at making a friend, at pulling a girl, at just being in the moment. You weren’t good enough. Because that feeling haunts you all the way home, and the next day, you wake up and need to fix it.

That’s the process. You get humbled, you stew in it, and you come back hungry. Since the weekend I've been grinding three times as hard. If you're not feeling these feelings, you need to put yourself in situations where you DO feel these feelings.
What demotivates me a lot when learning a language is that I feel I will never be fluent and it might just never be useful.
For example learning mandarin chinese but I don’t even know if I will ever live in China or come back there.
 
That's what is good about a lot of the CE countries...you don't need to learn the local language cause their English will be better than the Slavic language. And they know that learning a slavic language for foreingers is insanely difficult.
 
What demotivates me a lot when learning a language is that I feel I will never be fluent and it might just never be useful.
For example learning mandarin chinese but I don’t even know if I will ever live in China or come back there.

The huge advantage Mandarin has over Japanese is that people speak it all over the world, and you'll always find a place to use it.

Nothing terrifies me more than being a normie, and monolingualism is a big feature of normies. I see my friends from high school and college turning into this. They're becoming fat, and getting married to white 5.0-6.0 Beckies who are themselves becoming fat. They'll sit at the bar of Buffalo Wild Wings watching the football game and drinking Miller Lite. Here they'll discuss superficial identity politics, taking a side without knowing anything about it. "Wee Chat? Is that Chaineeze or Jappineeze?" They'll scream over the game for a while, complain about the bartender, head home and have mediocre sex with their mediocre wife. Wake up, go to slightly above average finance job at the bank for 9 hours. Send random stupid Instagram reels to friends they haven't seen in person for years. Punch out of work. Head back to normie sports bar. Repeat.

That turned into a weird rant but please shoot me if I ever turn into someone like this.
 
The huge advantage Mandarin has over Japanese is that people speak it all over the world, and you'll always find a place to use it.

Nothing terrifies me more than being a normie, and monolingualism is a big feature of normies. I see my friends from high school and college turning into this. They're becoming fat, and getting married to white 5.0-6.0 Beckies who are themselves becoming fat. They'll sit at the bar of Buffalo Wild Wings watching the football game and drinking Miller Lite. Here they'll discuss superficial identity politics, taking a side without knowing anything about it. "Wee Chat? Is that Chaineeze or Jappineeze?" They'll scream over the game for a while, complain about the bartender, head home and have mediocre sex with their mediocre wife. Wake up, go to slightly above average finance job at the bank for 9 hours. Send random stupid Instagram reels to friends they haven't seen in person for years. Punch out of work. Head back to normie sports bar. Repeat.

That turned into a weird rant but please shoot me if I ever turn into someone like this.
LOL........i saw all of that in my head as a movie
 
The huge advantage Mandarin has over Japanese is that people speak it all over the world, and you'll always find a place to use it.

Nothing terrifies me more than being a normie, and monolingualism is a big feature of normies. I see my friends from high school and college turning into this. They're becoming fat, and getting married to white 5.0-6.0 Beckies who are themselves becoming fat. They'll sit at the bar of Buffalo Wild Wings watching the football game and drinking Miller Lite. Here they'll discuss superficial identity politics, taking a side without knowing anything about it. "Wee Chat? Is that Chaineeze or Jappineeze?" They'll scream over the game for a while, complain about the bartender, head home and have mediocre sex with their mediocre wife. Wake up, go to slightly above average finance job at the bank for 9 hours. Send random stupid Instagram reels to friends they haven't seen in person for years. Punch out of work. Head back to normie sports bar. Repeat.

That turned into a weird rant but please shoot me if I ever turn into someone like this.
I get your point.
There is something exciting about having hidden talents. It really creates depth in a person when you find out they are a master of some things you’d never expect.
It’s like when you find out the 100 kg brute is also an opera singer.
You have to love the process of learning skills tho.
To be honest learning mandarin has been pretty fun with the app you recommended to me (hanzihero). I learnt some characters and it feels rewarding when you have a vague idea of what’s written on a sign in China.
 

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