I'm scared of being used for a visa

[lustfullydownbeat]

I'm down to fuck foreigners and have met a lots of them online that are down for me. But I think I would never marry one of them or start a family with them because if I do they're probably gonna wanna come to USA and if they come to USA I know more than likely they're going to change their mind about a lot of things including their relationship with me even if they did truly love me before they got here which is already uncertain and they might plan to just use me for visa from the beginning. And besides, I'm certain I can start a family at some point with someone who is already an american citizen without too much difficulty. What do you guys think? Am I being too paranoid or am I just reasonable?

 

[Cigarette]

welcome to the forum

 

[AlexBrown84]

How old are you

Study old material and develop the mindset of a metaphysical geomaxxer that focuses on all areas in order to avoid falling for such traps

 

[ExcuseMe]

maybe she will dump you after coming to the US, maybe not, who knows. I would first focus on meeting the woman IRL before theorymaxxing about what to do after marriage.

 

[lustfullydownbeat]

maybe she will dump you after coming to the US, maybe not, who knows. I would first focus on meeting the woman IRL before theorymaxxing about what to do after marriage.

I guess I can do that. I just have a tendency of falling in love fast and planning my life with a girl as soon as she shows interest so I was wondering if I should avoid doing this from the beginning or altogether.

 

[ExcuseMe]

I guess I can do that. I just have a tendency of falling in love fast and planning my life with a girl as soon as she shows interest so I was wondering if I should avoid doing this from the beginning or altogether.

if you feel like you're legitimately vibing with the woman, and the relationship is healthy, I don't see why you shouldn't imagine a future together

 

[geneblackman]

If you can attract MTB white women in the west then chances are the women you meet abroad will be genuinely attracted to you. Women who want a green card usually only target guys below their looks level. This happens a lot on muslim, indian and passportbro subreddits. A lot of those guys are delusional and uninteresting.

Make sure she's either of equal or below level in looks to you, or at most maybe 1 point higher and around the same age give or take 5 years. Make sure she's average or above average IQ. Make sure she has a stable life in her country.

It's pretty easy to tell if a woman is really into you or not. She'll make it incredibly obvious and you'll be able to feel it. Even online.

Look on Rednote. There are tons of Chinese women who are happily married to western guys both in- and outside of China and the couples are always looksmatched whether they're both 4s or both 7s.

 

[Rance]

Everything geneblackman said, plus try to go LTR with girls who maximize your "personal SMV" while also minimizing the "societal SMV". For example if you like girls with monolids, you should marry a girl with monolids, because she will be less attractive to potential rivals in the West

 

[RetireAndCope]

Everything geneblackman said, plus try to go LTR with girls who maximize your "personal SMV" while also minimizing the "societal SMV". For example if you like girls with monolids, you should marry a girl with monolids, because she will be less attractive to potential rivals in the West

This is good advice

Could you give some examples as you've probably thought about it more?

What I can think of for myself off the top is darker skin as I don't really care about whiteness

 

[Rance]

This is good advice

Could you give some examples as you've probably thought about it more?

What I can think of for myself off the top is darker skin as I don't really care about whiteness

For me another one would be short. I prefer girls in the 4'11"-5'2" height range, which I thought was pretty normal for a while but I eventually realized most guys like girls in the 5'3"-5'7" height range

And another, body proportions. I have no problem with a girl who has small boobs or a flat ass (within reason), as long as she's thin. A lot of American guys want the gyatt

I have said this before, but in my mind the greatest gift you could be born with is a strong attraction to black women. Sadly black women's SMV is in the gutter for most guys. If you have a thing for them you will have little competition except from black guys

 

[myeyes]

For me another one would be short. I prefer girls in the 4'11"-5'2" height range, which I thought was pretty normal for a while but I eventually realized most guys like girls in the 5'3"-5'7" height range

And another, body proportions. I have no problem with a girl who has small boobs or a flat ass (within reason), as long as she's thin. A lot of American guys want the gyatt

I have said this before, but in my mind the greatest gift you could be born with is a strong attraction to black women. Sadly black women's SMV is in the gutter for most guys. If you have a thing for them you will have little competition except from black guys

DON’T marry a short women if you’re planning on having kids in the west. The height pill will be 10x worse by the time your kid will grow up

Also to answer in general. The divorce rate doesn’t seem to change that much so your chances are probably the same with a foreign woman, the only difference is if you do get divorced normies will laugh at you and say you deserve it more than if you get divorced with a Western woman

 

[ExcuseMe]

For me another one would be short. I prefer girls in the 4'11"-5'2" height range

And another, body proportions. I have no problem with a girl who has small boobs or a flat ass (within reason)

 

[14passport]

I'm down to fuck foreigners and have met a lots of them online that are down for me. But I think I would never marry one of them or start a family with them because if I do they're probably gonna wanna come to USA and if they come to USA I know more than likely they're going to change their mind about a lot of things including their relationship with me even if they did truly love me before they got here which is already uncertain and they might plan to just use me for visa from the beginning. And besides, I'm certain I can start a family at some point with someone who is already an american citizen without too much difficulty. What do you guys think? Am I being too paranoid or am I just reasonable?

-most don't want to move to the USA, they prefer middle to upper class in their home country
-if you are properly looksmatched its not likely she will leave, that often happens because a fat 50 yo brings back a 20 yo

 

[F_Wilks]

Everything geneblackman said, plus try to go LTR with girls who maximize your "personal SMV" while also minimizing the "societal SMV". For example if you like girls with monolids, you should marry a girl with monolids, because she will be less attractive to potential rivals in the West

Gotta go find me a Mongolian warrior princess.

 

[F_Wilks]

And another, body proportions. I have no problem with a girl who has small boobs or a flat ass (within reason), as long as she's thin. A lot of American guys want the gyatt

Is it true that that describes the vast majority of girls you met in Japan?

For me it's probably the number 1 reason for not going to East Asia. Flat chest for me is an instant 0/10. Everything else could be perfect, but a flat chest would be an instant dealbreaker.

 

[Rance]

Is it true that that describes the vast majority of girls you met in Japan?

For me it's probably the number 1 reason for not going to East Asia. Flat chest for me is an instant 0/10. Everything else could be perfect, but a flat chest would be an instant dealbreaker.

Small breasts yeah, most of them are in the A cup to C cup range. Ass is pretty great though depending on what you want. They don't have BIG asses but they're cute and shaped well.

When I say "flat chest" I don't mean literally flat, I mean like A cup territory

 

[JohnGotti]

Bringing a girl back to the US? Lmao. Lol even. Even if she really "likes" you? Bringing a girl to the US is the equivalent of Thanos getting the Infinity Gauntlet. They snap their fingers, and within the distance of a phone, they have access to plenty of suitors in dating apps significantly weighing in theur favor. Men who meet all 666 figures ready to pump and dump them on a whim. Courts and laws rigged in favor of fucking you in excessive for profit manners. There is already numerous boomers, gen x, and millennial who did this and get FUCKED.

When I meet a girl that says she wants to go to the US. I immediately clock the fuck out of speaking with them. I'm not going back to the US as is, and Im definitely not bringing anybody back either.

Every stat and study points to traditional marriages being feasibly impossible in the West. A trend that will only get worse in the coming years. You have the power abroad where you are unique and exotic. Marriage as a social institution is dead in these nations.

Even getting past the marriage aspects, it is a terrible idea to have kids in the West. Nearly all public schools and social media have pipelines and malicious people intending to force your kids to consume LGBT propaganda and hate themselves, especially if you are White or Asian. Inflation eating up affordability. Endless mass migration stewing up social and ethnic conflicts. It's over!

 

[geneblackman]

Bringing a girl back to the US? Lmao. Lol even. Even if she really "likes" you? Bringing a girl to the US is the equivalent of Thanos getting the Infinity Gauntlet. They snap their fingers, and within the distance of a phone, they have access to plenty of suitors in dating apps significantly weighing in theur favor. Men who meet all 666 figures ready to pump and dump them on a whim. Courts and laws rigged in favor of fucking you in excessive for profit manners. There is already numerous boomers, gen x, and millennial who did this and get FUCKED.

When I meet a girl that says she wants to go to the US. I immediately clock the fuck out of speaking with them. I'm not going back to the US as is, and Im definitely not bringing anybody back either.

Every stat and study points to traditional marriages being feasibly impossible in the West. A trend that will only get worse in the coming years. You have the power abroad where you are unique and exotic. Marriage as a social institution is dead in these nations.

Even getting past the marriage aspects, it is a terrible idea to have kids in the West. Nearly all public schools and social media have pipelines and malicious people intending to force your kids to consume LGBT propaganda and hate themselves, especially if you are White or Asian. Inflation eating up affordability. Endless mass migration stewing up social and ethnic conflicts. It's over!

I think this really goes back to whether the man and woman in question are quality or not. Cheating is also a massive problem in South America and Asia as it is so in that sense what's stopping her from getting railed by Chadriguez or Chang in a different country? On the other hand I know of guys who brought their wives back to their countries and they're doing well.

This is why being above her SMV level is very important for LTR even if guys are always aiming for the hottest women. If you're a 5 and you're bringing back some young 7/10 who you can barely have a conversation with due to language then yeah things are going to get iffy.

 

[JohnGotti]

I think this really goes back to whether the man and woman in question are quality or not. Cheating is also a massive problem in South America and Asia as it is so in that sense what's stopping her from getting railed by Chadriguez or Chang in a different country? On the other hand I know of guys who brought their wives back to their countries and they're doing well.

This is why being above her SMV level is very important for LTR even if guys are always aiming for the hottest women. If you're a 5 and you're bringing back some young 7/10 who you can barely have a conversation with due to language then yeah things are going to get iffy.

Well, if you were going abroad, you weren't quality in the first place. How else do you spin it? Most of the people here are beta hive workers realizing they could clock out, and the rest are some trust fund kids or something. Even if you were good looking, you went abroad to a third world country for some deficiency back home. Autism or something, you weren't quality in the first place.

In LDCs, the average guy has more power over women. Especially in South America. Your wife cheats on you? Well, this isn't the West were I have no physical, social, or economic leverage over the nearly lowest woman. You can just enter the dating pool and find a new girl, just within a week I bet. I know from personal experience I can. I bet most of my assets would be protected from divorce too, if they were kept in the US at least. (Could be totally wrong on this). I think the biggest deal for me isn't even the cheating, its the possibly of having my financial aspects destroyed because a girl wanted to on a whim. Which they certainly can in the US.

Also, going back to kids, having kids is already an issue in Western countries as stated above. Your kids (male) are going to face the same issues you did, but 20x worse in 20 years.

I'd go over things that could happen too. Even if you don't have a divorce, you could end up with a fat spouse, a dead bedroom, or somebody is going to have a personality switch once she is comfortable.

My mom's octaroon father married a woman from Germany. They stayed together till they died*.

*Catch being is she is a massive fucking bitch who verbally and psychologically abused an old man who could barely walk, and dumps her frustrations out on anybody. Her grandchildren, husband, and her own kids. She happened to have a massive personality change when she came to the US, according to him.


If you want to risk it, go ahead. I am never getting fucking married.

 

[ExcuseMe]

@JohnGotti I think most guys who want to go back to the USA, are those who aren't able to make money remotely, so they want an American income rather than a third-world one. at least for me that's the main reason why I'm not moving to a geomax location permanently.

 

[geneblackman]

Well, if you were going abroad, you weren't quality in the first place. How else do you spin it? Most of the people here are beta hive workers realizing they could clock out, and the rest are some trust fund kids or something. Even if you were good looking, you went abroad to a third world country for some deficiency back home. Autism or something, you weren't quality in the first place.

There are plenty of examples of men and women who met each other by chance while one was visiting abroad. It's really a question of if the guy can already attract women in his home country or not. This circles back to the concept of "loser back home" If he can, then he's decent enough quality and more than enough for most women abroad. I'm talking about raw attraction by the way and not just a paypig

As for your other points, I do agree. It's always a gamble but usually if the woman has a good life in her home country there's less of a chance of it happening.

 

[JohnGotti]

@JohnGotti I think most guys who want to go back to the USA, are those who aren't able to make money remotely, so they want an American income rather than a third-world one. at least for me that's the main reason why I'm not moving to a geomax location permanently.

'Want' or 'need' to go back?

 

[ExcuseMe]

'Want' or 'need' to go back?

want. my point is that when you meet your wife in a third world country, and you don't have any passive/remote income, your only options are basically
1. go back to the US with her
2. stay in the the third world making a pathetic amount of money like the locals
so I understand guys who pick option 1.

 

[myeyes]

Also, going back to kids, having kids is already an issue in Western countries as stated above. Your kids (male) are going to face the same issues you did, but 20x worse in 20 years.

This is a huge and underrated issue. A half white half thai dude has an endless amount of high quality options in Thailand but would struggle tirelessly, possible even be a full blown incel if born in the west.
And you’re right it’s getting way worse

 

[Jamesothy]

I'm down to fuck foreigners and have met a lots of them online that are down for me. But I think I would never marry one of them or start a family with them because if I do they're probably gonna wanna come to USA and if they come to USA I know more than likely they're going to change their mind about a lot of things including their relationship with me even if they did truly love me before they got here which is already uncertain and they might plan to just use me for visa from the beginning. And besides, I'm certain I can start a family at some point with someone who is already an american citizen without too much difficulty. What do you guys think? Am I being too paranoid or am I just reasonable?

You can't think like that. What's a woman worth anyways if you can't bring her somewhere with her being corrupted?

You need to establish certain things with people from the moment you meet or know of each other. Are you the type of guy to use for a visa? Stop being like that.

And you can still go to a different country and find lots of girls that don't want to leave where they're at.

 

[lustfullydownbeat]

Everything geneblackman said, plus try to go LTR with girls who maximize your "personal SMV" while also minimizing the "societal SMV". For example if you like girls with monolids, you should marry a girl with monolids, because she will be less attractive to potential rivals in the West

I do love monolids!

 

[biggunsar]

I'm down to fuck foreigners and have met a lots of them online that are down for me. But I think I would never marry one of them or start a family with them because if I do they're probably gonna wanna come to USA and if they come to USA I know more than likely they're going to change their mind about a lot of things including their relationship with me even if they did truly love me before they got here which is already uncertain and they might plan to just use me for visa from the beginning. And besides, I'm certain I can start a family at some point with someone who is already an american citizen without too much difficulty. What do you guys think? Am I being too paranoid or am I just reasonable?

as biggunsar says religiously, if you meet a 3rd worlder, NEVER EVER bring her to the 1st world. PERIOD.

if you don't bring her back home to live there, she has no "green card" to get. Right?

visit the 1st world, when your with her, but you can never come back home to live with her.