Advice I don't really think I'm a good fit for Jakarta, and possibly not Indonesia in general. What should I do?

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I've been in Indonesia for about three weeks now. It's been an interesting experience, for sure, and I'm glad I knocked it off the bucket list.

I really don't think I have the right personality type for a place like Indonesia. Right now, I feel like Indonesia is a place that I feel is tailor made to be as incompatible with my personality type as it could possibly be.

I'll make a list:

1). It isn't quiet. Everywhere I go, no matter where I go, I am absolutely flattened by the sheer overwhelming noise of my surroundings. It doesn't matter if I'm in a mall, in a bar, in a gym, or walking down the road, the ambient noise levels are such that I can't even hear myself think, let alone hear some woman whose so physically tiny and whose voice is so soft I have bend over and nearly place my ear against her mouth to hear what's she's said after she's already repeated herself fifteen times. Depending on where you choose to live, Mosques will regularly wake you up at 4:45 in the morning. You'll need to start going to bed earlier to compensate for this. Mosques are loud enough to wake you up even if you're on the top floor of an apartment tower. You can't fix this without changing your location, or finding a residence with soundproofed windows.

If I were to remain in Indonesia forever, I would need to purchase a pair of noise-cancelling headphones, and make them a part of my daily attire, for the rest of my life, until the day I die. Yes, it's really that bad.

2). It's not safe. I don't understand why sidewalks and crosswalks don't exist in Indonesia. Being a pedestrian in Indonesia is like being a lesbian Jew in Nazi Germany. There are almost no sidewalks, and the ones that do exist are frequently in terrible condition, crossing the street consists of picking a random spot to walk across the road, all while making eye contact with oncoming drivers in hopes they slow down.

3). It's not clean. To paraphrase Howard Beale, the air is unfit to breathe, the food is unfit to eat, the water is unfit to drink. You literally need to take medicine (activated charcoal) in order to protect yourself, unless you want to experience diarrhea and bronchitis, and then remember to rub lotion on your body to avoid being eaten alive by the mosquitoes. Pollution is so bad it'll shorten your life span.

4). It's not cool. Even the locals, who were born and raised here, tell me they can't stand it. You'd think warm temperatures would be a good thing, like sunny California, but nope. Not when it feels like you're being boiled alive. You end up needing to hide indoors during the middle of the day, and then even at night, the humidity has you sweating until your body is soaked from your face to your ass. If I remain in Indonesia, my days will probably consist of hiding in an air-conditioned apartment, commuting in an air-conditioned vehicle to an air-conditioned mall, so on and so forth. The heat is so oppressive it affects my ability to function. Sunscreen goes from being a recommendation to prevent premature skin aging to being a minimum requirement to avoid sunburn and cancer.

5). It isn't cultured. Firstly, the food in Indonesia isn't merely unhygienic, it's also bland and boring. If you're anything like me, it'll take you less than a month before you're tired of endless variations of "rice and chicken", forgoing the native cuisine in favor of far superior Korean and Japanese food. I'd rather eat McDonald's than eat this stuff, no offense.

Secondly, almost nothing in Indonesia is visually appealing. Dilapidated shacks, crumbling sidewalks, tangled power lines, and apartment towers that look like repurposed prisons. All of this exist alongside garish advertisements and soulless, glass and steel shopping malls. Everything feels improvised. The exception to all of this is the natural world, outside of the urban areas. Indonesia is like India; if you're looking at something you enjoy looking at, you're probably looking at something built by nature, not by humans.

The center of cultural life in Indonesia seems to revolve around the shopping malls, which are built on a scale and level of complexity that looks like something out of The Lord of the Rings. Public parks do technically exist, but if you enjoy such things in America, you'll feel deprived in Indonesia. You'll be living in a depressing jungle of steel and concrete. Even the locals complain that there's nothing to do besides going to the mall.

6). It isn't convenient. There's no Amazon, and the supposed equivalents like Tokopedia are honestly more similar to Temu than to Amazon. Whenever you buy the local Indonesia version of a product, it simply pales in comparison to the American version, unless you're buying something that was imported, in which case it'll be more expensive than it was in America, due to import taxes. If I continue living here, I'll need to do my shopping whenever I return home to America, then return with my new purchases in my luggage.

Traffic congestion, in particular, is so bad that it effectively turns an otherwise massive city into a collection of smaller cities that are all directly adjacent to each other. I wouldn't be surprised if the people with money in Jakarta started using personal helicopters to bypass traffic. This is not a joke. If traffic in Jakarta remains as bad as it if for the next 500 years, I could easily see a situation where the populations of the different areas of Jakarta become genetically distinct form one another.

Worse than the traffic congestion is the overcrowding. If you're commuting someplace, you can at least sit comfortably in the back of an air conditioned taxi, checking emails, answering texts, listening to music, et cetera. The moment you get out of that taxi, you're going to be completely swallowed by the crowd. Crowds in Indonesia are unlike anything in America, they're not just large, they're massive, and so densely packed that you can barely move your body in any direction. People in Indonesia have no concept of personal space, will stand directly behind you so closely you can feel their dick pressing against your ass, pass directly in front of you so closely you nearly collide, and walk so slowly that you feel as if your feet are submerged in molasses. If you're naturally a speed walker, you're going to feel as if you're in the ninth circle of hell.

If you're from the West, you simply have no frame of reference for understanding what this is like. If you need to cross from one end of the mall to the other, you're not merely going on a "walk", but traversing an obstacle course comprised of people completely devoid of proprioception. All of this while enduring the deafening noise of that same crowd, and then the droning of obnoxiously loud pop music being played by the stores's PA system that makes it impossible to actually think before making a purchasing decision....I could go on and on and on.

Every day, whether it's speaking to a barista in a coffee shop, a clerk in a hotel, or a woman on a dating app, you will be continuously reminded of the fact that you live in a country where the average IQ is 87.

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I need suggestions about geomaxx locations. I can't stand it here.

Right now, the only thing that could probably "save" a place like Jakarta for me, is if I could live in some sort of gentrified suburb, maybe one filled with other expats, where everything you need in life, like the grocery store, laundry, et cetera, is either concentrated within a giant residential compound, or can be easily be ordered in via a delivery service.

My understanding is that this is how the local Chinese Indonesian live there lives, huddled away in a sort of "Cloud District", an island of order, peace, quiet, and cleanliness in the ocean of chaos and insanity that is the city of Jakarta.

What should I do? Try searching for a nearby "Cloud District", or start looking at other countries altogether? I'm American, but my personality type less closely resembles that of the stereotypical American, and probably more closely resembles that of the stereotypical central European.

Taiwan perhaps?
 
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Thats the same everywhere in SEA you retard

You just find a luxury condo and boom you're living a higher quality of life than anyone in the west

If u wanna go beach go a luxury beach resort.

If u wanna eat u order western or east asian foods

If u wanna go mall, go to a local luxury modern mall

Only brokies hang out in the streets slums and eat local foods
 
My understanding is that this is how the local Chinese Indonesian live there lives, huddled away in a sort of "Cloud District", an island of order, peace, quiet, and cleanliness in the ocean of chaos and insanity that is the city of Jakarta.
yes, that's exactly how long term expats live as well. they city itself sucks and is not made for walking and hanging around. traffic is a nightmare.

indonesia is louder than usa and europe. but it's still nothing compared to dominican republic or colombia. the mosques suck BIG time though.
 
Thats the same everywhere in SEA you retard

You just find a luxury condo and boom you're living a higher quality of life than anyone in the west

If u wanna go beach go a luxury beach resort.

If u wanna eat u order western or east asian foods

If u wanna go mall, go to a local luxury modern mall

Only brokies hang out in the streets slums and eat local foods
I'm hiding in my hotel room for the most part. I never once touched the food stalls, my food gets delivered from actual restaurants. I found out you can't even brush your teeth with the tap water, even if you don't swallow it, which is a complete mindfuck, having to take a coffee cup and then pour bottled water into it.

Who fucking knows, maybe living in some $1,500/month luxury apartment is the way to go, not just for lifestyle reasons but for getting bitches as well.
 
Which other places did you try?

Did you try Bangkok?
BGC in Manila if you don't mind staying in a small expat area?

It's still SEA but should be a lot more calm, less chaotic, and more westernized

of course there's also EA as you said, Taiwan, China, Korea, Japan...
 
Which other places did you try?

Did you try Bangkok?
BGC in Manila if you don't mind staying in a small expat area?

It's still SEA but should be a lot more calm, less chaotic, and more westernized

of course there's also EA as you said, Taiwan, China, Korea, Japan...
I've been to Thailand, although not for geomaxxing. I was barely there for any time at all, but Bangkok seemed similar to Jakarta in the ways that matter to me. I remember being so happy to leave Thailand. I remember walking past a river that reeked of human feces, I breathed in, and immediately grew a rash on the side of my head, right behind my left ear, I swear to god. No idea if it was causal or coincidental.

I hear people talk about these places like they're some sort of paradise. I don't see it. I really don't. People talk about how cheap these places are, but obviously a place is going to be cheap if it's like that.

I do agree that Thailand seems much better organized than Jakarta. For Jakarta, I'll do some research on luxury condo's. I remember talking to a Chinese Indonesian girl on Tinder, I asked her "do you ever come down to South Jakarta", and she was like "Never", and then "Never", again, on a separate line. They have their own entire area in northwestern Jakarta referred to as "PIK", and they basically esclude themselves off from the rest of Jakarta, like it's some sort of fortress in a zombie apocalypse.
 
How’s dating like compared to other places in SEA?
I had heard the situation with dating apps here in Jakarta was good, so I've been taking screenshots of everything on Tinder, Bumble, CMB, the past couple weeks. Do you want me to share?

It's not a pretty picture. Bumble in Jakarta is, quite literally, the first time in my life I've actually been frightened by a woman's face. I started taking screenshots of what I was witnessing, because I immediately realized that without photographic evidence, nobody on here would believe a word out of my mouth.

A woman on Tinder asked for my Whatsapp and immediately attempted to video call me without asking, because she saw my photos are wanted to confirm that my face was real. I declined the video call, because holy fuck, that's schizo, and she sent me an image of her own face, which she immediately deleted, which is just as well, because I wasn't mentally prepared and was absolutely fucking horrified. This happened twice.

The women on dating apps in Jakarta are positively antedeluvian. Their faces are reminiscent of the prehistoric Denisovan ancestors of modern Austronesians. You know how some white people look like their Neanderthal ancestors? Indonesians people have Denisovan ancestry, and in the women you see on dating apps, those sorts of facial features are coming out in full force. Have you ever seen a woman on a dating app that was so ugly you took a screenshot? I've taken so many screenshots, you wouldn't fucking believe it. It doesn't make sense to use a "out of ten" rating scale to describe these women; it would be like sending a packet of IQ tests to Africa, you would need to use an entirely new scale, properly calibrated for the location.

I literally just keep screenshotting faces, over and over again, not even out of disgust at this point, just astonishment. I had always heard the word "SEA monkey" before, but never really understood what it meant.

Now I do. I'm not even trying to date anymore, I'm just a wildlife photographer at this point.

Another thing to consider: Indonesian men, in my opinion, are far better looking than Indonesian women, and it's not even close. The only thing holding these guys back from PPB'ing to the USA is poverty and dark skin. In a few weeks in Jakarta, I have seen more men with perfect jawlines here, than in my entire lifetime in the United States. I don't understand it. Don't even come here if you have issues with your jawline. Period. Full stop. I can't take a Becky out to eat without getting mogged by the waiter taking our order.

I almost never see foreigners of any sort out here, but earlier today I was at the mall and saw some black dude with his Indonesian girlfriend. Let's just say that Jakarta is a "Reverse Passport Sister" location for Indonesian women. It was the first time in my life that I actually felt sorry for a black person. When you feel confused about why ugly Indonesian women are attempting to match with you, a good looking foreigner, on dating apps, you eventually realize these women are not being delusional about their options, but actually realistic. You won't have this realization until you begin spending enough time in public, long enough to begin encountering mixed couples, which will take weeks, simply because the population is huge.

Depending on your looks level, you may or may not be able to date your looksmatch. The lower your looks level, the higher your chances of dating your looksmatch. I think this is the reason why some people love this place, and others hate it.

Alright, I gotta stop typing. I got more Korean food delivered just now, I need to go enjoy myself and purge the memories of Indonesian food from my mind.
 
I had heard the situation with dating apps here in Jakarta was good, so I've been taking screenshots of everything on Tinder, Bumble, CMB, the past couple weeks. Do you want me to share?

It's not a pretty picture. Bumble in Jakarta is, quite literally, the first time in my life I've actually been frightened by a woman's face. I started taking screenshots of what I was witnessing, because I immediately realized that without photographic evidence, nobody on here would believe a word out of my mouth.

A woman on Tinder asked for my Whatsapp and immediately attempted to video call me without asking, because she saw my photos are wanted to confirm that my face was real. I declined the video call, because holy fuck, that's schizo, and she sent me an image of her own face, which she immediately deleted, which is just as well, because I wasn't mentally prepared and was absolutely fucking horrified. This happened twice.

The women on dating apps in Jakarta are positively antedeluvian. Their faces are reminiscent of the prehistoric Denisovan ancestors of modern Austronesians. You know how some white people look like their Neanderthal ancestors? Indonesians people have Denisovan ancestry, and in the women you see on dating apps, those sorts of facial features are coming out in full force. Have you ever seen a woman on a dating app that was so ugly you took a screenshot? I've taken so many screenshots, you wouldn't fucking believe it. It doesn't make sense to use a "out of ten" rating scale to describe these women; it would be like sending a packet of IQ tests to Africa, you would need to use an entirely new scale, properly calibrated for the location.

I literally just keep screenshotting faces, over and over again, not even out of disgust at this point, just astonishment. I had always heard the word "SEA monkey" before, but never really understood what it meant.

Now I do. I'm not even trying to date anymore, I'm just a wildlife photographer at this point.

Another thing to consider: Indonesian men, in my opinion, are far better looking than Indonesian women, and it's not even close. The only thing holding these guys back from PPB'ing to the USA is poverty and dark skin. In a few weeks in Jakarta, I have seen more men with perfect jawlines here, than in my entire lifetime in the United States. I don't understand it. Don't even come here if you have issues with your jawline. Period. Full stop. I can't take a Becky out to eat without getting mogged by the waiter taking our order.

I almost never see foreigners of any sort out here, but earlier today I was at the mall and saw some black dude with his Indonesian girlfriend. Let's just say that Jakarta is a "Reverse Passport Sister" location for Indonesian women. It was the first time in my life that I actually felt sorry for a black person. When you feel confused about why ugly Indonesian women are attempting to match with you, a good looking foreigner, on dating apps, you eventually realize these women are not being delusional about their options, but actually realistic. You won't have this realization until you begin spending enough time in public, long enough to begin encountering mixed couples, which will take weeks, simply because the population is huge.

Depending on your looks level, you may or may not be able to date your looksmatch. The lower your looks level, the higher your chances of dating your looksmatch. I think this is the reason why some people love this place, and others hate it.

Alright, I gotta stop typing. I got more Korean food delivered just now, I need to go enjoy myself and purge the memories of Indonesian food from my mind.
What a beautiful way of writing

And yes, please do share some of the faces. I went there years ago but my memory escapes me as to what they looked like
 
I had heard the situation with dating apps here in Jakarta was good, so I've been taking screenshots of everything on Tinder, Bumble, CMB, the past couple weeks. Do you want me to share?

It's not a pretty picture. Bumble in Jakarta is, quite literally, the first time in my life I've actually been frightened by a woman's face. I started taking screenshots of what I was witnessing, because I immediately realized that without photographic evidence, nobody on here would believe a word out of my mouth.

A woman on Tinder asked for my Whatsapp and immediately attempted to video call me without asking, because she saw my photos are wanted to confirm that my face was real. I declined the video call, because holy fuck, that's schizo, and she sent me an image of her own face, which she immediately deleted, which is just as well, because I wasn't mentally prepared and was absolutely fucking horrified. This happened twice.

The women on dating apps in Jakarta are positively antedeluvian. Their faces are reminiscent of the prehistoric Denisovan ancestors of modern Austronesians. You know how some white people look like their Neanderthal ancestors? Indonesians people have Denisovan ancestry, and in the women you see on dating apps, those sorts of facial features are coming out in full force. Have you ever seen a woman on a dating app that was so ugly you took a screenshot? I've taken so many screenshots, you wouldn't fucking believe it. It doesn't make sense to use a "out of ten" rating scale to describe these women; it would be like sending a packet of IQ tests to Africa, you would need to use an entirely new scale, properly calibrated for the location.

I literally just keep screenshotting faces, over and over again, not even out of disgust at this point, just astonishment. I had always heard the word "SEA monkey" before, but never really understood what it meant.

Now I do. I'm not even trying to date anymore, I'm just a wildlife photographer at this point.

Another thing to consider: Indonesian men, in my opinion, are far better looking than Indonesian women, and it's not even close. The only thing holding these guys back from PPB'ing to the USA is poverty and dark skin. In a few weeks in Jakarta, I have seen more men with perfect jawlines here, than in my entire lifetime in the United States. I don't understand it. Don't even come here if you have issues with your jawline. Period. Full stop. I can't take a Becky out to eat without getting mogged by the waiter taking our order.

I almost never see foreigners of any sort out here, but earlier today I was at the mall and saw some black dude with his Indonesian girlfriend. Let's just say that Jakarta is a "Reverse Passport Sister" location for Indonesian women. It was the first time in my life that I actually felt sorry for a black person. When you feel confused about why ugly Indonesian women are attempting to match with you, a good looking foreigner, on dating apps, you eventually realize these women are not being delusional about their options, but actually realistic. You won't have this realization until you begin spending enough time in public, long enough to begin encountering mixed couples, which will take weeks, simply because the population is huge.

Depending on your looks level, you may or may not be able to date your looksmatch. The lower your looks level, the higher your chances of dating your looksmatch. I think this is the reason why some people love this place, and others hate it.

Alright, I gotta stop typing. I got more Korean food delivered just now, I need to go enjoy myself and purge the memories of Indonesian food from my mind.
Do you have any experience in Bangkok or the Philippines?
 
Jesus this thread is hilarious "wildlife photographer" Do you feel like Jane Goodall out there

And yes please post pics of the average girl and actual attainable cute girl

Didn't someone here live in Jakarta and like it? For me if I full time move to Asia I have to be able to lindy stroll no matter where I'm at which unfortunately makes SEA suck
 
Eh, still one of the best in an overall subpar region lol
bro have you been to saigon? you can't escape the noise even in a highrise, those fucking carts yelling on the loudspeakers, brutal traffic, walking is death simulator, that's just the start. It's prob one of the worst with his complaints
 
Thats the same everywhere in SEA you retard

You just find a luxury condo and boom you're living a higher quality of life than anyone in the west

If u wanna go beach go a luxury beach resort.

If u wanna eat u order western or east asian foods

If u wanna go mall, go to a local luxury modern mall

Only brokies hang out in the streets slums and eat local foods
Great high effort post
 
I had heard the situation with dating apps here in Jakarta was good, so I've been taking screenshots of everything on Tinder, Bumble, CMB, the past couple weeks. Do you want me to share?

It's not a pretty picture. Bumble in Jakarta is, quite literally, the first time in my life I've actually been frightened by a woman's face. I started taking screenshots of what I was witnessing, because I immediately realized that without photographic evidence, nobody on here would believe a word out of my mouth.

A woman on Tinder asked for my Whatsapp and immediately attempted to video call me without asking, because she saw my photos are wanted to confirm that my face was real. I declined the video call, because holy fuck, that's schizo, and she sent me an image of her own face, which she immediately deleted, which is just as well, because I wasn't mentally prepared and was absolutely fucking horrified. This happened twice.

The women on dating apps in Jakarta are positively antedeluvian. Their faces are reminiscent of the prehistoric Denisovan ancestors of modern Austronesians. You know how some white people look like their Neanderthal ancestors? Indonesians people have Denisovan ancestry, and in the women you see on dating apps, those sorts of facial features are coming out in full force. Have you ever seen a woman on a dating app that was so ugly you took a screenshot? I've taken so many screenshots, you wouldn't fucking believe it. It doesn't make sense to use a "out of ten" rating scale to describe these women; it would be like sending a packet of IQ tests to Africa, you would need to use an entirely new scale, properly calibrated for the location.

I literally just keep screenshotting faces, over and over again, not even out of disgust at this point, just astonishment. I had always heard the word "SEA monkey" before, but never really understood what it meant.

Now I do. I'm not even trying to date anymore, I'm just a wildlife photographer at this point.

Another thing to consider: Indonesian men, in my opinion, are far better looking than Indonesian women, and it's not even close. The only thing holding these guys back from PPB'ing to the USA is poverty and dark skin. In a few weeks in Jakarta, I have seen more men with perfect jawlines here, than in my entire lifetime in the United States. I don't understand it. Don't even come here if you have issues with your jawline. Period. Full stop. I can't take a Becky out to eat without getting mogged by the waiter taking our order.

I almost never see foreigners of any sort out here, but earlier today I was at the mall and saw some black dude with his Indonesian girlfriend. Let's just say that Jakarta is a "Reverse Passport Sister" location for Indonesian women. It was the first time in my life that I actually felt sorry for a black person. When you feel confused about why ugly Indonesian women are attempting to match with you, a good looking foreigner, on dating apps, you eventually realize these women are not being delusional about their options, but actually realistic. You won't have this realization until you begin spending enough time in public, long enough to begin encountering mixed couples, which will take weeks, simply because the population is huge.

Depending on your looks level, you may or may not be able to date your looksmatch. The lower your looks level, the higher your chances of dating your looksmatch. I think this is the reason why some people love this place, and others hate it.

Alright, I gotta stop typing. I got more Korean food delivered just now, I need to go enjoy myself and purge the memories of Indonesian food from my mind.
Laughed out loud in the airport reading this

DM me some of those ugly bitches SS please
 

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