How do you meet white women in your early 30s if you don't have an office job?

[Stellar_Travels]

Honestly it seems everybody meet through university, work or being part of the same social circle. I already graduated from university and I don't have an office job anymore, I make more in a month trading than in a full year working for somebody else in a office job. There is no point for me seeking a job. But at the same time, how the heck am I meeting women without being around them? Dating apps are just for male models these days in the West unless you want to bang the scraps and ugly women which I don't.
I want high quality women but without being around them is impossible. It's pointless to go to clubs in Western Europe....they're full of men and the few women in there want to be left alone or are in mixed groups and they aren't open to get approached. Going to a gym is also pointless as men are constantly swarming around girls

And building a social circle is hard when you don't work because you meet and you're exposed to way less people on the daily basis...without seeing the same people often it's hard to form a friendship. And as a guy in your early 30s your social circle that you had when you were younger start to shrink considerably as many people get married, move out, start a family, ecc.

It seems there is no way out, another factor is that most women or at least the best women are taken by the time they're in their late 20s (actually mid 20s) so the pool or available women shrink even further.

When I was in my early 20s it was much easier for me to meet girls as I was studying in university and was constantly exposed to so many girls, it was very easy to befriend them. But right now it's fucking tough. I can either work from my home or go to a cafè or co-working space but it changes nothing. Most people I see in co-working spaces are men LOL and the few women are ugly.

What the fuck should a man do? Going to Asia isn't an option for me because I want a white woman...Asia for me is just for casual sex which I had plenty in the past in that part of the world. Going to Eastern Europe like Prague, Budapest, Warsaw ecc won't fix anything as these girls are completely Westernized by now....maybe in Warsaw you can still get something but not from dating apps. Moscow is clearly the best option although it's not without cons and again, I'll be there alone which isn't great. At least here in Italy I still have some friends that I go out with....in Moscow I'd have to go out alone and it's tough to socialize that way, it's not fun.

What else is there to do?

 

[Stellar_Travels]

I also don't like to live in Western Europe for political reasons....a successful person has to pay between 50%-60% of his income in taxes, it's crazy. You pay that much to have nothing else in return. All the money go to finance the welfare for women, gays and illegal migrants. You're basically financing women's lifestyle and easy life with your efforts and sweat while they get hired in Fortune 500 companies just because of stupid D&I woke policies. And you don't even have the freedom to complain about that without retards saying you're an ignorant bigot and sexist LOL

If you don't get the high quality women, why the heck somebody should remain here? I wondered that myself many times in the last couple of months. I think year after year the quality of life for men is decreasing in the West. If you haven't found a quality woman by the time you're in your mid 20's chances are you'll never find one unless you decrease your standards a lot. And if you don't even work in a big company, and so you aren't exposed to women on a daily basis, chances are even less.

 

[AlexBrown84]

you need a ‘third place’

if you’re a bland person, it will be harder to find such

 

[Stellar_Travels]

you need a ‘third place’

if you’re a bland person, it will be harder to find such

what third place?

 

[AlexBrown84]

what third place?

A “third place” refers to a social environment that is distinct from the two primary places where people spend most of their time: home (“first place”) and work (“second place”). The term was popularized by sociologist Ray Oldenburg in his 1989 book The Great Good Place. Examples of third places include coffee shops, parks, libraries, community centers, and bars. These spaces are seen as important for fostering social interaction, building community, and offering a neutral ground where people can engage in informal conversation and connection. Third places are typically accessible, inclusive, and promote social cohesion.

the digital version of this would be here, the great kingdom of geomaxia, where new ideas are fostered on neutral grounds

think of the coffee houses of the enlightenment

 

[14passport]

You just listed all the most popular options: dating apps, clubs/bars, friends
if you dont like any of those, the last option is usually hobbies: anything you like such as language learning, sports, meetup, reading clubs

 

[Marco Pumpo]

@Stellar_Travels i'm facing the same issues.

but i wonder if your current approach is really the better way to go for now, to pass on women if you can't get the quality you imagine.

i for now prefer to have FwB connections with LTBs from dating apps because being incel instead would make the situation even more unbearable in the west.

 

[EEmaxxer]

I don't get it. You want a high quality women of a race that is the most sought after in the world...yet you want it on your terms essentially. It's cool that you are a well financed guy but the types of girls you want simply having money isn't enough. I live in a major central European country where I see the men here (both foreign and local) basically go all out to compete for the types of women you want. They got money, they are well presented, live long term in the country, and on top of all that, they take massive action in terms of marketing themselves (daygame, nightgame, social cirlce, social scene, events, etc.) to get them. And some of these guys are rich chads. They don't complain.

In 2024 going into 2025, if you are a normie tier dude and you are not willing to say fuck it and take massive action, you can forget about scoring a high quality white women.

 

[Marco Pumpo]

you need a ‘third place’

if you’re a bland person, it will be harder to find such

the last option is usually hobbies: anything you like such as language learning, sports, meetup, reading clubs

if you want a hobby abroad without learning the language you could also join a tongue singer choir

 

[Stellar_Travels]

A “third place” refers to a social environment that is distinct from the two primary places where people spend most of their time: home (“first place”) and work (“second place”). The term was popularized by sociologist Ray Oldenburg in his 1989 book The Great Good Place. Examples of third places include coffee shops, parks, libraries, community centers, and bars. These spaces are seen as important for fostering social interaction, building community, and offering a neutral ground where people can engage in informal conversation and connection. Third places are typically accessible, inclusive, and promote social cohesion.

the digital version of this would be here, the great kingdom of geomaxia, where new ideas are fostered on neutral grounds

think of the coffee houses of the enlightenment
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Ok, now it's clear but I already go to these kind of places and I don't see many high quality girls there or they're in mixed groups

 

[Stellar_Travels]

You just listed all the most popular options: dating apps, clubs/bars, friends
if you dont like any of those, the last option is usually hobbies: anything you like such as language learning, sports, meetup, reading clubs

The problem is that most of the women there aren't good looking or they're swarmed by so many guys

 

[Stellar_Travels]

@Stellar_Travels i'm facing the same issues.

but i wonder if your current approach is really the better way to go for now, to pass on women if you can't get the quality you imagine.

i for now prefer to have FwB connections with LTBs from dating apps because being incel instead would make the situation even more unbearable in the west.

Yeah but if I just wanted sex I could hop on a place, go to Asia and find women easily. I'm looking more and more to quality women for a relationship and it's very hard to find them....it seems the best ones are already taken by the time they're in their mid 20s.

I think my main problem is that I haven't followed the standard path of the average person: wage-slaving.
And people my age mostly meet their partner in the work place, through team building activities, through friends of friends at work. I have none of those options available and co-working places don't replace those things because I've been there and it's almost all men and the few women that are there are ugly as fuck

 

[Stellar_Travels]

I don't get it. You want a high quality women of a race that is the most sought after in the world...yet you want it on your terms essentially. It's cool that you are a well financed guy but the types of girls you want simply having money isn't enough. I live in a major central European country where I see the men here (both foreign and local) basically go all out to compete for the types of women you want. They got money, they are well presented, live long term in the country, and on top of all that, they take massive action in terms of marketing themselves (daygame, nightgame, social cirlce, social scene, events, etc.) to get them. And some of these guys are rich chads. They don't complain.

In 2024 going into 2025, if you are a normie tier dude and you are not willing to say fuck it and take massive action, you can forget about scoring a high quality white women.

I think if you have to put that much effort in finding a woman it means the place suck and it's better to move out. If an environment is toxic, I don't even engage with it...I move on without wasting my time. Unfortunately almost the entire West has become like that. Women have the upper hand in everything because of dating apps, social media, favorable laws, ecc. The amount of options they have is ridiculous....I personally don't believe in dating apps or bars/club to find a high quality women. You find those women by meeting them organically, through your network, your university, your job, some common activities. Dating apps are just for male models in 2024, it's impossible for everybody else in the West and the women there are also not high quality, they can be good looking but they're trash/whores just by being on Tinder/Bumble....you don't want to start a LTR with one of them, they're just for sleeping around.

You must go where your chances of success are higher. I personally believe Moscow has the most beautiful women on average and the male competition is lower than in the West so I have high expectations. Also, I can leverage more my strong point which is money.....because in Russia a man can say he's successful without having to worry to be politically correct. You say that in Sweden, Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy, ecc and people look at you as if you're an arrogant, narcissistic try-hard....because they're jealous and insecure. It's taboo to talk about that in the West. The only man quality that is respected in the West is looks, nothing else. When women achieved financial independence thanks to woke D&I policies (they're almost never the best candidate for a position) they didn't need a man that provide financial stability anymore...so they started to base their selection on only one criteria: looks. If you're average looking you're out of luck, even more if you can't leverage a social circle

 

[Marco Pumpo]

Yeah but if I just wanted sex I could hop on a place, go to Asia and find women easily. I'm looking more and more to quality women for a relationship and it's very hard to find them....it seems the best ones are already taken by the time they're in their mid 20s.

i'm looking for that too but as long as i haven't found one again, i can't stand just living like a monk while i'm in here in europe.

I think my main problem is that I haven't followed the standard path of the average person: wage-slaving.
And people my age mostly meet their partner in the work place, through team building activities, through friends of friends at work. I have none of those options available and co-working places don't replace those things because I've been there and it's almost all men and the few women that are there are ugly as fuck

i was working in an office 40h a week for years and it sucked. there are other complications that come with it that could make you avoid a relationship because it could get messy in your job if the relationship fails, depending on which department she works in. and the closer she works with you the higher the chance for you to get to know her.

also i didn't feel like high quality was really accessible to me there either. at best it is easier to get someone on your own looks level interested in you, while on dating apps you rather have to date down because of the competition. probably it's easier to hit on quality if you are her boss, but then again you don't really know if she likes you or if she's just longing for status and money and it would turn into some kind of betabux relationship.

the same applies to hobby groups. women there aren't just gonna magically lower their standards for you just because you met them in real life. the only benefit you have here is that some of them just don't like dating apps so they don't get daily messages from thirsty men offering themselves. so again, it's easier to find someone on your own level.

but the higher tier ones will probably lose interest in you if you are not on their looks level. she will show your pics to her female friends and if you're a normie some will say yea he's cute and some will say nah not so hot. thus your value decreases in her head. if you're subhuman all of them will probably say "what do you want with this guy?" or something.

i hate to say it but the whole "just go out bro" thing has pretty much become a meme to me at this point here in the west. and i have done stuff like dancing classes and shit. i ended up dropping all that stuff because it was kinda pointless and i didn't wanna torture myself with it any longer. i'm not saying it's impossible but you certainly have to try a lot of stuff and get lucky to even slightly play above your league successfully.

 

[Stellar_Travels]

I agree, to date up in the West is extremely hard. Going out is pointless because most girls are in mixed groups, clubs are a sausage fest (here in Italy at least). Women usually just go out with their group of friends to have dinner at a restaurants, snap some IG pics of the food, have a walk around the city and then go home. If you aren't inside their social circle, it's impossible to break the wall....if you force to break it by approaching them you're seen as a creep. Moreover, as I said, most women are in mixed groups and the guys in there are very defensive because they're, themselves, desperate and they don't want more competition inside their group.

So the only option is really to meet them organically when you actually stay with them in the same environment everyday, it can be the university or the workplace. Of course, it also depends on the faculty and the job....if you attend the sociology faculty you get to be around way more girls than if you attend aerospace engineering. And of course you can work in a marketing department or you can work in a boring, back-end job with no young woman in sight. But, if the university or company is big enough you can still meet women in other faculties or departments (at work) when the company organize after-work activities or team-building activities. Of course if you work in a small company it's much harder.

But I also agree with you that even in the workplace you have competition, so you need to stand out a bit. In a sense though you're preselected because unless the woman is on dating apps, the pool of single men you compete with isn't that big. And through constant proximity it's easier to build connection and attraction.

If you don't wage-slave your chances to meet women are even smaller because you must rely on dating apps for the most part which are useless. That's why I'm thinking more and more about leaving. I want to check how it is in Moscow. I'll go there next Spring and if it's good I'm seriously considering about investing 800,000$ for a golden visa to get the permanent residency. Of course if I do that, it means the place must be really good and must be worth the price.

A lot of men also don't understand that having access to women is one of the most important variable (if not THE most important variable) that impact a man's happiness level. Is it a coincidence that many men are happier when they go to utter shitholes in the Philippines (like Davao, Manila, Dumaguete ecc) than when they live in what it's perceived the pinnacle of development in the West? Those men that are happier in the Philippines are the ones that can't get girls in the West. And they're happier there because they get girls. Having access to girls is much more important for a man well being than being in what stupid newspaper rankings say are the best places to live.

If you see that the situation in a given area is terrible and it keeps worsening every year there is no point in remaining there. Even more, if those places also have high taxes. Some people move to Asia and I do respect them, they're indeed good places. But if you're looking for white girls, then there are other places to discover IMHO

 

[AlexBrown84]

you can find good white girls living in shanghai

not the backpacker hippie type

but models/students

also can go for the teachers. some are pretty good looking

talked to a slim blonde canadian when i was in a cafe about teaching english in china. she was doing some lesson planning or something

but i didn’t come to asia for foreigners

and most guys go for the local asians

so you’ll have less competition for white girls in asia along with better QOL

i’ve been to every country in asia and i’ll say china has the best quality of white girls living there. plenty of russians and not the barbarian type like in vietnam

and the white girls that go to korea are all weirdos and generally ugly. if they are decent looking, they get with a korean mtn and live their k pop dream

japan white girl population is negligible. just short term visitors from america mostly

 

[AlexBrown84]

i'm looking for that too but as long as i haven't found one again, i can't stand just living like a monk while i'm in here in europe.

get out of europe quick before the great war starts and they force you to work the factory line producing ammunition

 

[AlexBrown84]

I agree, to date up in the West is extremely hard. Going out is pointless because most girls are in mixed groups, clubs are a sausage fest (here in Italy at least). Women usually just go out with their group of friends to have dinner at a restaurants, snap some IG pics of the food, have a walk around the city and then go home. If you aren't inside their social circle, it's impossible to break the wall....if you force to break it by approaching them you're seen as a creep. Moreover, as I said, most women are in mixed groups and the guys in there are very defensive because they're, themselves, desperate and they don't want more competition inside their group.

So the only option is really to meet them organically when you actually stay with them in the same environment everyday, it can be the university or the workplace. Of course, it also depends on the faculty and the job....if you attend the sociology faculty you get to be around way more girls than if you attend aerospace engineering. And of course you can work in a marketing department or you can work in a boring, back-end job with no young woman in sight. But, if the university or company is big enough you can still meet women in other faculties or departments (at work) when the company organize after-work activities or team-building activities. Of course if you work in a small company it's much harder.

But I also agree with you that even in the workplace you have competition, so you need to stand out a bit. In a sense though you're preselected because unless the woman is on dating apps, the pool of single men you compete with isn't that big. And through constant proximity it's easier to build connection and attraction.

If you don't wage-slave your chances to meet women are even smaller because you must rely on dating apps for the most part which are useless. That's why I'm thinking more and more about leaving. I want to check how it is in Moscow. I'll go there next Spring and if it's good I'm seriously considering about investing 800,000$ for a golden visa to get the permanent residency. Of course if I do that, it means the place must be really good and must be worth the price.

A lot of men also don't understand that having access to women is one of the most important variable (if not THE most important variable) that impact a man's happiness level. Is it a coincidence that many men are happier when they go to utter shitholes in the Philippines (like Davao, Manila, Dumaguete ecc) than when they live in what it's perceived the pinnacle of development in the West? Those men that are happier in the Philippines are the ones that can't get girls in the West. And they're happier there because they get girls. Having access to girls is much more important for a man well being than being in what stupid newspaper rankings say are the best places to live.

If you see that the situation in a given area is terrible and it keeps worsening every year there is no point in remaining there. Even more, if those places also have high taxes. Some people move to Asia and I do respect them, they're indeed good places. But if you're looking for white girls, then there are other places to discover IMHO

yes moving to certain locations can increase your luck in terms of meeting girls

check your astrological map

and look into geomaxia game theory

are you a computer scientist? some ways of thinking in that field translate well to geomaxxing



one time i was at a temple in hanoi vietnam and some girl approached me

fast forward later that night and were eating ice cream and smoking weed in her tiny little apartment and playing chess

we meet the next day at my much nicer apartment and continue fucking

then we wake up the next morning at 4am cuz i have a flight to catch and new lands and women to conquer


anyways

just today i was doing my daily walk on the same route and time when a girl working at one of the resturaunts started talking to me and smiling

cute little girl

maybe i’ll stop there to eat and talk to her tomorrow when i get my monthly stipend paid out on the 22nd

or go eat ramen. i think the girls working at a ramen shop i always walk past are interested in me

but i can’t really tell. i kinda hold my head up when walking and don’t pay much attention to people. i just assume they’re all looking at me

but i look quite unique so it’s obvious to recognize me


and i recommend getting into reading books you enjoy. if you do it at cafes especially in asia, you’ll look more unique compared to the robots on their laptop

basically act like a cat and don’t pay attention to other people just read and then girls sit next to you

and if you’re low inhib enough you can talk to them

i haven’t gotten down the low inhib part yet

i got the cafe idea from an old pdf of sir roosh and expanded on it with my own ideas

 

[EEmaxxer]

I think if you have to put that much effort in finding a woman it means the place suck and it's better to move out. If an environment is toxic, I don't even engage with it...I move on without wasting my time. Unfortunately almost the entire West has become like that. Women have the upper hand in everything because of dating apps, social media, favorable laws, ecc. The amount of options they have is ridiculous....I personally don't believe in dating apps or bars/club to find a high quality women. You find those women by meeting them organically, through your network, your university, your job, some common activities. Dating apps are just for male models in 2024, it's impossible for everybody else in the West and the women there are also not high quality, they can be good looking but they're trash/whores just by being on Tinder/Bumble....you don't want to start a LTR with one of them, they're just for sleeping around.

You must go where your chances of success are higher. I personally believe Moscow has the most beautiful women on average and the male competition is lower than in the West so I have high expectations. Also, I can leverage more my strong point which is money.....because in Russia a man can say he's successful without having to worry to be politically correct. You say that in Sweden, Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy, ecc and people look at you as if you're an arrogant, narcissistic try-hard....because they're jealous and insecure. It's taboo to talk about that in the West. The only man quality that is respected in the West is looks, nothing else. When women achieved financial independence thanks to woke D&I policies (they're almost never the best candidate for a position) they didn't need a man that provide financial stability anymore...so they started to base their selection on only one criteria: looks. If you're average looking you're out of luck, even more if you can't leverage a social circle

I have many friends here who have already tried out Moscow. They told me Moscow is actually MORE competitive than Central European and Eastern Europe countries for top tier women. There you are competing with oligarchs for top tier and on top of that you are dealing with language barrier. I think you are projecting but anyways, I'm not trying to throw shades. Hopefully Moscow will work out for you but I highly doubt it's gonna be easier.

 

[Stellar_Travels]

you can find good white girls living in shanghai

not the backpacker hippie type

but models/students

also can go for the teachers. some are pretty good looking

talked to a slim blonde canadian when i was in a cafe about teaching english in china. she was doing some lesson planning or something

but i didn’t come to asia for foreigners

and most guys go for the local asians

so you’ll have less competition for white girls in asia along with better QOL

i’ve been to every country in asia and i’ll say china has the best quality of white girls living there. plenty of russians and not the barbarian type like in vietnam

and the white girls that go to korea are all weirdos and generally ugly. if they are decent looking, they get with a korean mtn and live their k pop dream

japan white girl population is negligible. just short term visitors from america mostly

I agree, I've always said here on this forum that China has the best quality/easiness ratio in Asia and advised everybody to go there instead of the same hyped places like Thailand and Bali banging Asian scraps. I'm happy people are figuring this out

Guangzhou is the Chinese city where I saw some models from East Europe

 

[Stellar_Travels]

I have many friends here who have already tried out Moscow. They told me Moscow is actually MORE competitive than Central European and Eastern Europe countries for top tier women. There you are competing with oligarchs for top tier and on top of that you are dealing with language barrier. I think you are projecting but anyways, I'm not trying to throw shades. Hopefully Moscow will work out for you but I highly doubt it's gonna be easier.

I haven't been there yet so I can't be sure but it seems weird to me that the male competition in Moscow is higher than Prague (just to mention one) where young men under 25yo look the same as in Germany nowadays

Poland is the only country in that area (within the EU) where guys aren't that good looking but if you rely on dating apps it sucks nonetheless

That being said I think Moscow has much much more potential than any place in Eastern Europe, even just for the fact that dating apps are banned and so women don't have one of their biggest leverage. Oligarchs in Moscow aren't in their early 30s outside of some exceptions, most rich guys in Moscow work in IT or have some business...maybe they make 10,000€ per month but that's still ridiculous compared to how much I make per month.

In just the last two days in the stock market (friday and today) I made 40,000€...I'm over 100,000€ this month and it's not finished yet. I doubt a lot of guys in Moscow make more than that as even in Western Europe (as a whole) very very few men my age make more than me. And in Russia being financially successful is a big benefit, in Western Europe you can't brag about it because it's all about looks. Fuck that, I'm not going to settle down with a late 20s whore that has been with dozens of guys before me (when she was in her prime) and is now mediocre looking at best if I can get a high quality girl in Moscow

 

[albeeGE]

As alex said you need to join a third place.
If you are interest in females you need to factor gender and age, but the problem is that most females don't do fun shit outside of their already enstablished friend group.
So the options are 2:
- Befriend males in their late 20s and join their group
- Try cucked women hobbies like group hiking or yoga

 

[Stellar_Travels]

As alex said you need to join a third place.
If you are interest in females you need to factor gender and age, but the problem is that most females don't do fun shit outside of their already enstablished friend group.
So the options are 2:
- Befriend males in their late 20s and join their group
- Try cucked women hobbies like group hiking or yoga

Yes I understand it but I already have male friends to go out with...and unless they're in a long term relationship, the others have all the same problem.
Breaking into other social circle isn't easy because most men just don't want you in them, unless it's a male only group. If it's a mixed groups with high quality women in it, they get defensive and aggressive because they don't want you in...they don't want more competition. Every man is desperate as fuck in Italy

The best thing would be to befriend gay men or women themselves and I've already tried it but it didn't bring much results...as I said it would be much easier if I had a normal office job because I could befriend my colleagues, go to team building activities, inviting them out for a post work aperitivo ecc. Some of my friends even have corporate vacations with their colleagues, paid by the company. It's great to meet women in activities like that.

But I'm flying solo as I'm self made without an office job so most of what works for others, don't work for me. I also have high standards in part because I believe I'm high value. But "value" in the West means only "looks" and although I'm not ugly I can't compete with mid 20s Chad level guys from dating apps or clubs

 

[Stellar_Travels]

This article (from 2006) prove what I've been saying for years. As women became financially independent they only value looks now, until they are way past their prime, in their 30s, washed up, used up by dozens of guys and ready to settle in their 30s. Only then they look for someone with money but deep down they won't respect it.

Western Government absolutely screwed the vast majority of men with woke bullshit like the diversity&inclusion policies. Now, everybody understand that dating app and social media are big contributor to the epidemic of "single men" in the West, but even among red-pilled men, not many understand how these D&I policies destroyed men in the dating market and their SVM. I'll never tire to say that women are almost never the best candidate for a corporate position, period. This is the truth, I don't care how politically incorrect it sounds, it's the plain truth. The only reason they're hired is because Blackrock, Vanguard and other massive financial funds own all the corporate world and they are the main actors that push for this abomination. So they elect the board of directors, they select a woke CEO and they give orders to hire an equal amount of men and women or, in some countries like the US, also to hire an equal amount of people of every race. So women get very high salaries in Fortune 500 companies without being the top candidate for the position and without doing much at all. On TikTok it's full of videos of the "corporate lifestyle" of these whores that do nothing all day aside for warming their seat and visiting the food stall or the bar of the company. I guess we've all seen them.

We've seen another proof with Twitter. Elon Musk fired over 80% of the staff and yet Twitter works even better now. But here is the picture of who worked for Twitter before and here is the picture of who works for Twitter now, do you notice any difference? I bet you do. If meritocracy is applied instead of the woke ideology, the companies' employees would look much different.




All those women were hired without contributing anything to the bottom line of the company. They earned 6 figure salaries and all they did was "working" on some psychological assessment, how twitter contributed to the environment, if gay people felt discriminated and if the company met the diversity&inclusion quota they set for themselves at the beginning of the year. Some were in charge of the corporate furniture. Some organized events. Basically, they served no purpose whatsoever. They only filled the D&I quotas. That's why firing 80% of them didn't impact the operations at all.
But some of them earned even more than the engineers that set up the corporate infrastructure, imagine how absolutely corrupt is the corporate world right now. Even without taking into consideration how these policies allowed women to whore around without consequences, it discriminates against men so much.

All big corporate companies are doing the same....they hire women not because they deserve it, but because they must fill some company's quotas to appear politically correct and inclusive. As I said this gave women financial independence and destroyed what was once an equal dating market where both the majority of men and women could be satisfied.

So if, before, women selected based on looks AND financial status of a man....now they select only on looks because their financial needs are taken care of by the corrupt corporations and by the Government welfare. Now they can sleep around until their mid 30s without consequences because they don't have to hurry to find a man to take care of their financial needs. But we have to wonder: did women miraculously became much smarter in the last 15-20 years compared to the last 3,000 years (they never held high positions in such big numbers) or what happened in the last 15-20 years was an abomination pushed by radical feminism and woke policies? We all know the answer.
If many men aren't able to find a high quality woman anymore (in the West) this is one of the biggest reason. If the same men lived 50 years ago like our parents they could easily find a girl (in her prime years) that would have loved to settle down with them.

Poll: For More Women, Man's Looks More Important Than His Money - Truthdig

Researchers from the UK have found that as women make more money themselves, they value a man's physical attractiveness more highly than his financial status.

www.truthdig.com

"Many women are changing their minds about men

* 06 April 2006 * From New Scientist Print Edition

WHAT do women want from a man? In the past, surveys have overwhelmingly shown that women want a rich man, and men want a good-looking woman. While not much has changed for men, as women’s financial independence has increased, it seems that their preferences have changed.

Fhionna Moore and colleagues at the University of St Andrews, UK, analysed questionnaires from 1851 heterosexual women between the ages of 18 and 35. They found that as a woman’s level of “resource control” increases – in other words as they become more financially independent – so does their preference for physical attractiveness in potential partners.

Women who had low levels of control over their cash rated the financial status of a man over his looks. Those with a decent source of income rated physical attractiveness more highly. The study will appear in Evolution and Human Behavior."

 

[14passport]

The problem is that most of the women there aren't good looking or they're swarmed by so many guys

what you're looking for doesnt exist in the west unless you get lucky

there's competition for girls everywhere, even if you were the only guy at work, you need to be close to their level for them to consider you, otherwise they will just choose someone from instagram, someone they know, dating apps or any other method

ive seen guys at university where there's 25 girls, 3 guys in class and the guy still gets friendzoned by all of them if he is ugly

 

[14passport]

did you try white latam countries?

argentina has lots of "white" girls and should be easier than eastern europe

 

[Stellar_Travels]

what you're looking for doesnt exist in the west unless you get lucky

there's competition for girls everywhere, even if you were the only guy at work, you need to be close to their level for them to consider you, otherwise they will just choose someone from instagram, someone they know, dating apps or any other method

ive seen guys at university where there's 25 girls, 3 guys in class and the guy still gets friendzoned by all of them if he is ugly

Yes, true but I'm not ugly
I'm at least average looking for my age (early 30s), the problem is that average looking isn't enough for dating apps and I can't meet them organically because the main way people my age meet each other (ie at the workplace) isn't available to me

 

[14passport]

you're either not average or shooting way above your league
go do a bunch of activities and you will meet girls, but your issue seems to be you want top girls while you are average, that wont happen in the west

 

[Rance]

One big thing is that you're dead on arrival if you're not in a city. I feel for the guys in suburban areas where they have to drive everywhere. Most girls in these areas will hang out with the friends they made in high school, university, or at work. Go to a bar? "Nah, I'd rather stay home and watch Netflix."

Another factor is that cities themselves can be measured on an "itinerant scale." Insular cities with fewer travelers and tight social groups will not play out in your favor. The best cities are ones with a lot of people who didn't grow up there -- people moved there for university or work.

New York City is probably the best American city for dating. It's so damn expensive though.

 

[Mid]

you will take your asian wife and you will be happy

 

[Mid]

i hate to say it but the whole "just go out bro" thing has pretty much become a meme to me at this point here in the west. and i have done stuff like dancing classes and shit. i ended up dropping all that stuff because it was kinda pointless and i didn't wanna torture myself with it any longer. i'm not saying it's impossible but you certainly have to try a lot of stuff and get lucky to even slightly play above your league successfully.

"just go to meetups bro! join a club bro!" the worst kind of bullshit reddit advice. men are second class citizens in these environments except Chad

i'll die alone before i crack corny jokes at weekly pickleball

 

[AlexBrown84]

"just go to meetups bro! join a club bro!" the worst kind of bullshit reddit advice. men are second class citizens in these environments except Chad

i'll die alone before i crack corny jokes at weekly pickleball

yes i would never do such a jestered activity

definitely not in the west

but trying to create a social network in asia works

and easy af when you have looks

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

Honestly it seems everybody meet through university, work or being part of the same social circle. I already graduated from university and I don't have an office job anymore, I make more in a month trading than in a full year working for somebody else in a office job. There is no point for me seeking a job. But at the same time, how the heck am I meeting women without being around them? Dating apps are just for male models these days in the West unless you want to bang the scraps and ugly women which I don't.
I want high quality women but without being around them is impossible. It's pointless to go to clubs in Western Europe....they're full of men and the few women in there want to be left alone or are in mixed groups and they aren't open to get approached. Going to a gym is also pointless as men are constantly swarming around girls

And building a social circle is hard when you don't work because you meet and you're exposed to way less people on the daily basis...without seeing the same people often it's hard to form a friendship. And as a guy in your early 30s your social circle that you had when you were younger start to shrink considerably as many people get married, move out, start a family, ecc.

It seems there is no way out, another factor is that most women or at least the best women are taken by the time they're in their late 20s (actually mid 20s) so the pool or available women shrink even further.

When I was in my early 20s it was much easier for me to meet girls as I was studying in university and was constantly exposed to so many girls, it was very easy to befriend them. But right now it's fucking tough. I can either work from my home or go to a cafè or co-working space but it changes nothing. Most people I see in co-working spaces are men LOL and the few women are ugly.

What the fuck should a man do? Going to Asia isn't an option for me because I want a white woman...Asia for me is just for casual sex which I had plenty in the past in that part of the world. Going to Eastern Europe like Prague, Budapest, Warsaw ecc won't fix anything as these girls are completely Westernized by now....maybe in Warsaw you can still get something but not from dating apps. Moscow is clearly the best option although it's not without cons and again, I'll be there alone which isn't great. At least here in Italy I still have some friends that I go out with....in Moscow I'd have to go out alone and it's tough to socialize that way, it's not fun.

What else is there to do?

If you are from southern europe and couldnt pull off through social circle you cant pull it off anywhere else. Seriously that region is like one of the few white countries with intact third places and somewhat old world mentality, I saw turbo manlets in Spain with gfs who would be posting on these forums if they were born in the States.

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

Also in general I dont know why so many men are still so desperate for ltrs in 2024 even with all this blackpill data out there lol. Sorry dude you are just going to have to find some girl in her 30s and vet her for how much she actually wants a family, trying to pine after this unicorn is fucking retarded. And go somewhere where the laws wont fuck you over. I really think guys who want their early 20s unicorn ltr muh genuine true love are not really blackpilled tbh, you really think a girl is going to stay loyal with all of these options at her disposal? and even if she does she will get complacent, put on weight, etc. Drop the romanticism aspect of it, if you want a family then look for girls who have those traits.

 

[Rance]

If you're even at the point where you're considering joining salsa classes and shit to meet women, you need to relocate. Milquetoast daytime hobbies are not going to get you measurable results. If you can't geomax abroad, try your damn hardest to geomax to a fun urban area with fresh, young faces.

You can use this website to find demographics about various cities: https://www.city-data.com/

Consider median age and male-to-female ratio. These two stats are related -- often there are more women because the population is older and men die faster. I know this thread is about white women but it's also advisable to consider the number of non-white people and foreign residents.

From my findings (preferring cities with more young Asian women) the best cities are New York City, San Francisco, Boston (surprised me), Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.

The worst larger cities are ones like Miami, Dallas, Austin, Phoenix, and Jacksonville.

If I had to make a tier list:

• S - New York City, San Francisco
• A - Boston, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Chicago
• B - Seattle, Washington D.C.
• C - Houston, Atlanta
• D - Columbus, Austin, Charlotte, Baltimore
• F - Miami, Dallas, Phoenix, St. Louis, San Antonio, Jacksonville, Virginia Beach

There are many other cities but these are the only cities I've researched in depth. I actually have a spreadsheet I suppose I could upload.

Also note that this says nothing of quality of life or cost of living. It's purely from an insane place of considering only dating prospects.

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

This article (from 2006) prove what I've been saying for years. As women became financially independent they only value looks now, until they are way past their prime, in their 30s, washed up, used up by dozens of guys and ready to settle in their 30s. Only then they look for someone with money but deep down they won't respect it.

Western Government absolutely screwed the vast majority of men with woke bullshit like the diversity&inclusion policies. Now, everybody understand that dating app and social media are big contributor to the epidemic of "single men" in the West, but even among red-pilled men, not many understand how these D&I policies destroyed men in the dating market and their SVM. I'll never tire to say that women are almost never the best candidate for a corporate position, period. This is the truth, I don't care how politically incorrect it sounds, it's the plain truth. The only reason they're hired is because Blackrock, Vanguard and other massive financial funds own all the corporate world and they are the main actors that push for this abomination. So they elect the board of directors, they select a woke CEO and they give orders to hire an equal amount of men and women or, in some countries like the US, also to hire an equal amount of people of every race. So women get very high salaries in Fortune 500 companies without being the top candidate for the position and without doing much at all. On TikTok it's full of videos of the "corporate lifestyle" of these whores that do nothing all day aside for warming their seat and visiting the food stall or the bar of the company. I guess we've all seen them.

We've seen another proof with Twitter. Elon Musk fired over 80% of the staff and yet Twitter works even better now. But here is the picture of who worked for Twitter before and here is the picture of who works for Twitter now, do you notice any difference? I bet you do. If meritocracy is applied instead of the woke ideology, the companies' employees would look much different.

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All those women were hired without contributing anything to the bottom line of the company. They earned 6 figure salaries and all they did was "working" on some psychological assessment, how twitter contributed to the environment, if gay people felt discriminated and if the company met the diversity&inclusion quota they set for themselves at the beginning of the year. Some were in charge of the corporate furniture. Some organized events. Basically, they served no purpose whatsoever. They only filled the D&I quotas. That's why firing 80% of them didn't impact the operations at all.
But some of them earned even more than the engineers that set up the corporate infrastructure, imagine how absolutely corrupt is the corporate world right now. Even without taking into consideration how these policies allowed women to whore around without consequences, it discriminates against men so much.

All big corporate companies are doing the same....they hire women not because they deserve it, but because they must fill some company's quotas to appear politically correct and inclusive. As I said this gave women financial independence and destroyed what was once an equal dating market where both the majority of men and women could be satisfied.

So if, before, women selected based on looks AND financial status of a man....now they select only on looks because their financial needs are taken care of by the corrupt corporations and by the Government welfare. Now they can sleep around until their mid 30s without consequences because they don't have to hurry to find a man to take care of their financial needs. But we have to wonder: did women miraculously became much smarter in the last 15-20 years compared to the last 3,000 years (they never held high positions in such big numbers) or what happened in the last 15-20 years was an abomination pushed by radical feminism and woke policies? We all know the answer.
If many men aren't able to find a high quality woman anymore (in the West) this is one of the biggest reason. If the same men lived 50 years ago like our parents they could easily find a girl (in her prime years) that would have loved to settle down with them.

Poll: For More Women, Man's Looks More Important Than His Money - Truthdig

Researchers from the UK have found that as women make more money themselves, they value a man's physical attractiveness more highly than his financial status.

www.truthdig.com

"Many women are changing their minds about men

* 06 April 2006 * From New Scientist Print Edition

WHAT do women want from a man? In the past, surveys have overwhelmingly shown that women want a rich man, and men want a good-looking woman. While not much has changed for men, as women’s financial independence has increased, it seems that their preferences have changed.

Fhionna Moore and colleagues at the University of St Andrews, UK, analysed questionnaires from 1851 heterosexual women between the ages of 18 and 35. They found that as a woman’s level of “resource control” increases – in other words as they become more financially independent – so does their preference for physical attractiveness in potential partners.

Women who had low levels of control over their cash rated the financial status of a man over his looks. Those with a decent source of income rated physical attractiveness more highly. The study will appear in Evolution and Human Behavior."

water, the reality is that most women were never really in a position to choose as they relied on men for provisons and survival, only in modernity are we anal about if it is "genuine" or not. And most marriages were a means for merging families and family formation, not this bastardized muh true love omg ill die alone if i dont have my oneitus that even supposedly "blackpilled" users still cling onto lol. Look at your long term plan instead of relying on some foid to fulfill it. If you want your white kids then do surrogate and marry a flip, etc.

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

"just go to meetups bro! join a club bro!" the worst kind of bullshit reddit advice. men are second class citizens in these environments except Chad

i'll die alone before i crack corny jokes at weekly pickleball

We have to do all of this cuck dancing because we all live in this cosmopolitan fashion. Unironically most of PSL just encourages it with looksmaxxing and playing into the demands of women while thinking they are somehow cheating the game lol. At the end of the day this all comes down to economic factors and the economy allowing for women to have their jobs, this idea that its not "genuine" because you werent Chad back in the day and she wasnt breaking you out of prison to stare at your mullato skin and blue hunter eyes is brain dead. Men were either paying for ass, conquering women, or got into a pre arrangement. You had the status/resources and she had the pussy and gave you children.

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

i'm looking for that too but as long as i haven't found one again, i can't stand just living like a monk while i'm in here in europe.


i was working in an office 40h a week for years and it sucked. there are other complications that come with it that could make you avoid a relationship because it could get messy in your job if the relationship fails, depending on which department she works in. and the closer she works with you the higher the chance for you to get to know her.

also i didn't feel like high quality was really accessible to me there either. at best it is easier to get someone on your own looks level interested in you, while on dating apps you rather have to date down because of the competition. probably it's easier to hit on quality if you are her boss, but then again you don't really know if she likes you or if she's just longing for status and money and it would turn into some kind of betabux relationship.

the same applies to hobby groups. women there aren't just gonna magically lower their standards for you just because you met them in real life. the only benefit you have here is that some of them just don't like dating apps so they don't get daily messages from thirsty men offering themselves. so again, it's easier to find someone on your own level.

but the higher tier ones will probably lose interest in you if you are not on their looks level. she will show your pics to her female friends and if you're a normie some will say yea he's cute and some will say nah not so hot. thus your value decreases in her head. if you're subhuman all of them will probably say "what do you want with this guy?" or something.

i hate to say it but the whole "just go out bro" thing has pretty much become a meme to me at this point here in the west. and i have done stuff like dancing classes and shit. i ended up dropping all that stuff because it was kinda pointless and i didn't wanna torture myself with it any longer. i'm not saying it's impossible but you certainly have to try a lot of stuff and get lucky to even slightly play above your league successfully.

most NT dudes are doing okay, the issue for us is that we are neurotic, don't really enjoy the company of other normies, not in right circes etc not necessarily looks. Most of the global south and east have it some degree even with globohomo and the shecomonomy cosmopolitanism

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

>A lot of men also don't understand that having access to women is one of the most important variable (if not THE most important variable) that impact a man's happiness level. Is it a coincidence that many men are happier when they go to utter shitholes in the Philippines (like Davao, Manila, Dumaguete ecc) than when they live in what it's perceived the pinnacle of development in the West? Those men that are happier in the Philippines are the ones that can't get girls in the West. And they're happier there because they get girls. Having access to girls is much more important for a man well being than being in what stupid newspaper rankings say are the best places to live.

ughh flip coper opinion discarded. Also I disagree with that statement because you clearly dont embody that and want the lifestyle your parents had in the past. If you were a true coomer you wouldnt have an issue with paying for it either, at the end of the day its cooming which is fine but its clearly not making you happy

 

[Rance]

ughh flip coper opinion discarded. Also I disagree with that statement because you clearly dont embody that and want the lifestyle your parents had in the past. If you were a true coomer you wouldnt have an issue with paying for it either, at the end of the day its cooming which is fine but its clearly not making you happy

What is a "flip"?

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

What is a "flip"?

flipina lol. I dont know most people in phillpines have an ego to them and hold themselves above thailand coomers because they get it for "free" while paying like 3k a month to larp as a chad in their overpriced condo in bgc

 

[Rance]

flipina lol. I dont know most people in phillpines have an ego to them and hold themselves above thailand coomers because they get it for "free"

I'm in the middle on this one. I personally blur the line between prostitution and normal relationships more than most people do. But I think it's very important for overall happiness to be sexually and romantically desired. Paying for it works if you get the whole experience, but more often than not you can see that glint in her eye that reveals she just wants your cash.

P4P cooming works if your SMV is such where they would almost sleep with you normally but not quite. I've had paid arrangements where the girl wakes up and starts doing my dishes and cleaning the house. I've also had P4P arrangements where the girl keeps checking her phone and leaves as early as possible. The difference is night and day.

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

I'm in the middle on this one. I personally blur the line between prostitution and normal relationships more than most people do. But I think it's very important for overall happiness to be sexually and romantically desired. Paying for it works if you get the whole experience, but more often than not you can see that glint in her eye that reveals she just wants your cash.

dont agree nor disagree but from my experience flip copers just get on my nerves.

 

[Marco Pumpo]

most NT dudes are doing okay, the issue for us is that we are neurotic, don't really enjoy the company of other normies, not in right circes etc not necessarily looks.

Most of the global south and east have it some degree even with globohomo and the shecomonomy cosmopolitanism

yes the neuroticism is a valid point as well.

they have a different culture in latin america in general, i.e. the dancing that i mentioned. they learn it during childhood already and get comfortable with it, it just becomes a fun part of their lives. if you start getting into that stuff as a grown man it feels like work.

for women it's easy because they just have to follow. but as a man you have to lead, so you have to practice a lot to get all those moves into your muscle memory, keep counting the beats in your head so the dancing figures don't end at the wrong point, constantly decide which moves to do next and shuffle them in a fancy way. and then during that performance talk to women in a light-hearted way on the dancefloor of some venue. i was waiting for the point when the fun weighs out the stress but it just didn't happen.

for chad those classes and venues are probably a goldmine because there are a few hot women who will forgive him for being a pathetic dancer just to be close to him. for me it wasn't worth the hassle in europe because i didn't see any mentionable returns waiting at the horizon.

If you're even at the point where you're considering joining salsa classes and shit to meet women, you need to relocate. Milquetoast daytime hobbies are not going to get you measurable results.

how old are you actually?

 

[Cigarette]

bar

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

I'm in the middle on this one. I personally blur the line between prostitution and normal relationships more than most people do. But I think it's very important for overall happiness to be sexually and romantically desired. Paying for it works if you get the whole experience, but more often than not you can see that glint in her eye that reveals she just wants your cash.

P4P cooming works if your SMV is such where they would almost sleep with you normally but not quite. I've had paid arrangements where the girl wakes up and starts doing my dishes and cleaning the house. I've also had P4P arrangements where the girl keeps checking her phone and leaves as early as possible. The difference is night and day.

>P4P cooming works if your SMV is such where they would almost sleep with you normally but not quite. I've had paid arrangements where the girl wakes up and starts doing my dishes and cleaning the house. I've also had P4P arrangements where the girl keeps checking her phone and leaves as early as possible. The difference is night and day.
I have had shitty sex both paid and unpaid, there are experiences where I can feel more validated when I have paid for it. I prefer longer term arrangements tho

 

[Stellar_Travels]

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[Pained4ever]

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she seems like she'd be polarizing. But overall yeah

 

[EEmaxxer]

"just go to meetups bro! join a club bro!" the worst kind of bullshit reddit advice. men are second class citizens in these environments except Chad

i'll die alone before i crack corny jokes at weekly pickleball

Eggzacklee. You are better of straight up cold approaching at a bar or club or on the street before going to a meet up or joining a club.

 

[EEmaxxer]

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You are probably competing with decent looking multi-millionaires to deca-millionaires and on and so forth for this level of talent.