Guys stuck in the West : how’s the market ? (1 Viewer)

[Exutoire]

Is it still as bad ? Is it getting worse ?
What are you guys’ feelings on the current dating market in the West ?

 

[14passport]

Is it still as bad ?

yes

Is it getting worse ?

yes but I would say its on par with global standards rising everywhere
I don't think it is getting worse than other places

What are you guys’ feelings on the current dating market in the West ?

as a LTN/MTN its not that hard to get your looksmatch if you are smart about it, and willing to put in some effort/looksmatch
(if you dont put any effort you will likely stay single forever and be invisible though)
but its impossible to slay easily, you need to jester, its expensive, you compete against a 1000 other simps, women have high standards, you need multiple dates, bla bla bla...

HTN/chadlites/chads have it easy, but that's only a small % of guys that all women chase

so even if old geomaxxers like to complain, or they have impossible standards, geomaxxing is still 100 times easier than what you experience back in the west

 

[PokerGuy]

yes every year is getting worse, it's over here

 

[Autisticpleighboi]

In America frats, athletes, influencers and general HTN+ men have a monopoly over the majority of non roastie MTB+

Sub HTNs have no shot without lucky circumstances/propinquity, amazing social circle, influencermaxxing. So luck basically

The women I can attract and retain from OLD now with little effort, are realistically a point lower than the ones from 2023.

 

[Yuezhi]

I'm broke and currently dont have a lot of free time and was recently looksminned for years so it's also that but even now as a HTN after shedding most of the weight, I can't be bothered with the games women play here. Also age gap autism means that it is very hard to date women who haven't been ran through and I'm stuck with the mid to late 20s crowd and since i also can't tolerate the personalities of most women here after being abroad so many times and want something serious, I don't bother much outside of the occasional Chinese FOB.

 

[14passport]

to me the main problem with the west is there's a 1000 other guys that look like you, but they are so desperate they are willing to pay, simp, and jester for months if needed just to fuck

women are getting hit 24/7 since they are teens so unless you look very good and it's not something they can usually get, they don't give a fuck about you
they don't want to have adventure with you, they are tired of that

they treat you like another guy, because you are, if they want they can replace you with simp #1203

 

[Autisticpleighboi]

I'm broke and currently dont have a lot of free time and was recently looksminned for years so it's also that but even now as a HTN after shedding most of the weight, I can't be bothered with the games women play here. Also age gap autism means that it is very hard to date women who haven't been ran through and I'm stuck with the mid to late 20s crowd and since i also can't tolerate the personalities of most women here after being abroad so many times and want something serious, I don't bother much outside of the occasional Chinese FOB.

Same bro. I’m 25yo but can pass as younger. Larp as 22 on the apps and can date 18-20yos but like you said the games and headaches are unbearable, especially after LATAMmaxxing. That’s why now in burgerland, I only go for immigrants too.

Tinder date turning into ICE raid mogs going on a bowling date with a western whore that was gonna blueball me anyway

 

[geneblackman]

it's over and i don't even try anymore tbh. if she has a native english speaking accent i dont even look her way

 

[masonfrancis]

Is it still as bad ? Is it getting worse ?
What are you guys’ feelings on the current dating market in the West ?

it’s ok, but compared to bkk it’s terrible.

But i put no effort in and make the girls make all the moves and don’t do second dates usually

 

[RetireAndCope]

this thread will pop off because 90% of the forum never left their home continent

 

[AlexanderAcolyte]

this thread will pop off because 90% of the forum never left their home continent

bro killed the thread

 

[Life]

I haven't even tried dating in the west for years and I never will, even when I have an involuntary geomaxing break.

I could probably fuck a MTB through OLD after much effort and jestering, but what's the point? The mental dynamic will be completely pathetic anyway. Fucking or having a relationship with a woman isn't just about the physical experience, it's about the mental one. Fulfilling your ego. The ego will never be fulfilled when you know you're some 3rd choice that eventually got a bit of luck. But it will definitely be that when you pick and choose between girls fighting for your attention. Once you have experienced that stuff, anything else becomes unacceptable.

 

[Pained4ever]

its impossible to slay easily

pretty much but i'm ltn (if that) and I can bang 30 year old mtb with abt 70 percent rejection rate. But if i go to a bar and try i can usually get mtb pussy. Still basically incel but its enough to keep me from splattering my brains on the wall for now. It's insane that there are people that can't even get that.

It's categorically a human rights issue but it's too late for that conversation.

 

[Pained4ever]

I haven't even tried dating in the west for years and I never will, even when I have an involuntary geomaxing break.

I could probably fuck a MTB through OLD after much effort and jestering, but what's the point? The mental dynamic will be completely pathetic anyway. Fucking or having a relationship with a woman isn't just about the physical experience, it's about the mental one. Fulfilling your ego. The ego will never be fulfilled when you know you're some 3rd choice that eventually got a bit of luck. But it will definitely be that when you pick and choose between girls fighting for your attention. Once you have experienced that stuff, anything else becomes unacceptable.

Women will never fight for my attention. Beyond ovER.

What are ur stats son

 

[myeyes]

The ego will never be fulfilled when you know you're some 3rd choice that eventually got a bit of luck.

And it means the girl has more power over you because you’re easily replaceable, arguable the worst part about dating in the west

 

[Life]

Women will never fight for my attention. Beyond ovER.

What are ur stats son

>6ft white MTN. I have that high trust looking phenotype which is great in the East but sucks in the West.

 

[14passport]

pretty much but i'm ltn (if that) and I can bang 30 year old mtb with abt 70 percent rejection rate. But if i go to a bar and try i can usually get mtb pussy. Still basically incel but its enough to keep me from splattering my brains on the wall for now. It's insane that there are people that can't even get that.

It's categorically a human rights issue but it's too late for that conversation.

tbh that's pretty good back in the west, or bars are way different here, but most MTN i know wont get easy lays at a bar

 

[Marco Pumpo]

And it means the girl has more power over you because you’re easily replaceable, arguable the worst part about dating in the west

exactly. that is the one reason why i prefer geomaxxing. it's so much easier to maintain your frame if it's backed by infinite pussy supply. if you demonstrate attitude towards girls in the west you are basically bluffing like a poker guy with nothing in his hands.

 

[Pained4ever]

tbh that's pretty good back in the west, or bars are way different here, but most MTN i know wont get easy lays at a bar

it's still hard and hella draining but i think my height helps. Still lots of work for 30 year old roasties

 

[Life]

in the west you are basically bluffing like a poker guy with nothing in his hands.

This is why the redpill comes off as counter intuitive and strange to many normies. It's really hard to even fathom what the redpill is and how it works when you don't have the blackpill foundation. Acting redpill is actually extremely easy when it's genuine. It will simply be your default state. But when you're bluffing you'll constantly have to maintain a state of high self awareness and mental restraint to not slip up.

 

[14passport]

it's still hard and hella draining but i think my height helps. Still lots of work for 30 year old roasties

yeah i completely agree, but at least you have a way to fuck when you want, which most guys back in the west can't lmao

 

[AlexanderAcolyte]

it's still hard and hella draining but i think my height helps. Still lots of work for 30 year old roasties

you're 6'2 right?

 

[Pained4ever]

you're 6'2 right?

approx depending on how my back feels. sometimes a bit taller or shorter. I have scoliosis and shit so if i got surgery i'd be like 6'4 prob but not worth it unless it gets worse

 

[AlexanderAcolyte]

approx depending on how my back feels. sometimes a bit taller or shorter. I have scoliosis and shit so if i got surgery i'd be like 6'4 prob but not worth it unless it gets worse

? why is it not worth it? is it giga expensive

 

[Pained4ever]

? why is it not worth it? is it giga expensive

My curve isn't bad enough(yet) and it'd aggravate my neck problems potentially. So Doctors don't really wanna do it

 

[AlexanderAcolyte]

My curve isn't bad enough(yet) and it'd aggravate my neck problems potentially. So Doctors don't really wanna do it

this sounds like some soy cuck doctors, im sure theres some chinese acupunturist that would ascend you, i dont know why u wouldnt take a 2 inch ascension jfl people limb lengthen for that

 

[Pained4ever]

this sounds like some soy cuck doctors, im sure theres some chinese acupunturist that would ascend you, i dont know why u wouldnt take a 2 inch ascension jfl people limb lengthen for that

I'm going to i just need surgery in my neck first plus I gotta drop abt 20k on jaw surgery because insurance only covers the surgery itself not braces and genioplasty. But yes the surgery plus thick shoes and my jaw surgery will ascend me MASSIVELY.