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I do not see transwomen to be fundamentally equal in every aspect to cisgender women. The fact that there is a distinction at all indicates that there is something that makes the two things different. Transwomen are women-presenting individuals. I do not make any empirical claims about the effectiveness of transitioning as a treatment for gender dysphoria. But it is intellectually dishonest and logically nonsensical to claim that transwomen are the same as cisgender women when, even in the use of the language, they are two distinct groups.

In linguistic terms, if a woman is solely referring to gender identity, then yes, trans women are women. However, the word 'woman' to me does not strictly entail gender identity; it also encompasses biological, scientifically observable, and measurable phenomena. Such as being born with a vagina, a uterus, naturally producing high levels of estrogen, chromosomes, and more. With those things being in addition to the individual identifying with their assigned sex at birth.

As an extension of this, saying there are no differences between men and women and that gender is nothing but how one self-identifies is a dismissal of observable reality. To say that everyone doesn't fit perfectly or neatly into the categories and social norms associated with being a man or woman doesn't mean that we don't understand there to be clear characteristics and distinctions of either one.
It's like saying, because you cannot neatly identify when a puddle becomes a lake, that there are no such things as puddles and lakes.

Men are men, women are women, transwomen are transwomen, and transmen are transmen.

(Yes, I did write this myself. I'm not one of those thieves on .org who plagiarizes other people's work for updoots without even giving a mention or credits.)
 
Most people who say trans women aren't women don't have a fully fleshed-out view of this and they think 'HURR DURR, THAT'S A MAN IN A WIG, IF YOU'RE BORN A MAN UR A MAN EVEN IF YOU TAKE 666 HORMONES A DAY AND CUT YOUR DICK OFF11!!'
A lot of guys are very retarded about this and think fapping to the most feminine trannies in the world makes you gay, lol.
Those people also tend to make foolish and incorrect empirical claims that I don't make. My take is a philosophical one.

Then there's the opposite side that says all you need to do is claim to be a woman, and you are one. It's an equally as absurd and foolish view.

I've synthesized them with a more nuanced perspective that is not commonly heard in this deeply polarized political climate.
 
I don't really care because those critical of troonism don't want troons to be in women's prisons. I think prisons should be co-ed. Also, those critical of troons seem to be tough on crime.

I just don't see why I should care. I don't even care about men's sports let alone women's sports.
 
I don't really care because those critical of troonism don't want troons to be in women's prisons. I think prisons should be co-ed. Also, those critical of troons seem to be tough on crime.
I don't understand your point. You can have an opinion on something without agreeing with a monolith's views on either side of the political spectrum.
That's why I like to emphasize that I'm not a political ideologue.
I just don't see why I should care. I don't even care about men's sports let alone women's sports.
This isn't just an issue about transgenderism. It's an issue about formal logic, linguistics, and philosophy. The point is that words have meaning and this is is what I mean when I say women and why I don't believe transwomen are women.
 
I don't understand your point. You can have an opinion on something without agreeing with a monolith's views on either side of the political spectrum.
That's why I like to emphasize that I'm not a political ideologue
I'm just giving my own opinion, geez. You remind me of someone on Discord who was arguing in favor of assisted suicide. She was saying it should only happen rarely, she was saying there's no slippery slope, yet I told her that's not the reality. I gave her links and she refused to give her opinion on the links and didn't change her mind. These are some of the links I gave her. I know I'm not that educated on this issue though. My point is that if you deny politics, you deny reality.

 
I'm just giving my own opinion, geez. You remind me of someone on Discord who was arguing in favor of assisted suicide. She was saying it should only happen rarely, she was saying there's no slippery slope, yet I told her that's not the reality. I gave her links and she refused to give her opinion on the links and didn't change her mind. These are some of the links I gave her. I know I'm not that educated on this issue though. My point is that if you deny politics, you deny reality.

I didn't intend for my statement to be hostile in any way, I have a tendency to state things bluntly as to be concise.
Also, I didn't argue against politics, I just said I'm not a political ideologue and I don't identify with the 'right' or the 'left.'
I'll give the post you sent a read. Assisted suicide is actually one of the things I'm most passionate and steadfast about, in the top 5 at least.
 
I'll give the post you sent a read. Assisted suicide is actually one of the things I'm most passionate and steadfast about, in the top 5 at least.
Start with this quote by GK Chesterton:


This thread is one of the most important ones:

I'll quote myself from another thread:

"GOD’s curse on anyone who kills his neighbor in secret." Perhaps this is also one of the most important verses because the second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself, the first step of which is to love yourself. Therefore, if you shouldn't kill your neighbor, you shouldn't kill yourself. God's curse on anyone who kills himself.
Not killing someone is an essential part of how you express love for them.
 

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