Japanese women fog so hard

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It’s certainly your right to think so, but be mindful that Japanese girls may look very, very different from their pictures.
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that applies everywhere

Japanese do mog most of SEA, not just in raw beauty but also style, education and IQ
 
Yea maybe you'll think that if you're a shitskin dark eyed ethnic. Oh wait yeah you are one
 
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Pained4ever said:
@Rance give tips on learning japanese
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  1. Learn hiragana and katakana before learning anything else. There is really no "best" way to do this and should only take a week or two. Flash cards are good.

  2. Watch TokiniAndy's Genki video lessons. They are easy to follow and fantastic quality:

  3. Get started on WaniKani. It is the Japanese equivalent of HanziHero (which is for Chinese). You get the first 100 or so kanji for free, and all the words that come alongside them. WaniKani and HanziHero are great applications because their free periods are free-free, no credit card, not some trial period bullshit. Set it to a very slow and casual pace so you don't get burned out.
The first 12 chapters of the Genki textbook and ~100 kanji are legitimately enough to start dating in Japan. It's really that easy.

I'd recommend joining a language exchange Discord server or something similar so you can ask questions ask you go along. You'll have a lot of little questions cropping up here and there. However, these days ChatGPT is also quite good for this. Do ask ChatGPT questions whenever you have them, even if they seem simple, because it might offer another way of looking at an otherwise confusing concept.

DO NOT bother with Duolingo, Rosetta Stone, or any other normie nonsense software.
 
Rance said:
  1. Learn hiragana and katakana before learning anything else. There is really no "best" way to do this and should only take a week or two. Flash cards are good.

  2. Watch TokiniAndy's Genki video lessons. They are easy to follow and fantastic quality:

  3. Get started on WaniKani. It is the Japanese equivalent of HanziHero (which is for Chinese). You get the first 100 or so kanji for free, and all the words that come alongside them. WaniKani and HanziHero are great applications because their free periods are free-free, no credit card, not some trial period bullshit. Set it to a very slow and casual pace so you don't get burned out.
The first 12 chapters of the Genki textbook and ~100 kanji are legitimately enough to start dating in Japan. It's really that easy.

I'd recommend joining a language exchange Discord server or something similar so you can ask questions ask you go along. You'll have a lot of little questions cropping up here and there. However, these days ChatGPT is also quite good for this. Do ask ChatGPT questions whenever you have them, even if they seem simple, because it might offer another way of looking at an otherwise confusing concept.

DO NOT bother with Duolingo, Rosetta Stone, or any other normie nonsense software.
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i had like 60 kanji at one point and could almost understand foids on hellotalk sometimes but it's basically all gone due to not trying to learn anymore but i will take your advice here
 
I mean, starting and getting the motivation are the most difficult parts. If you've learned 60 kanji and understood some things on HT, you're already on the right path
 
Rance said:
The first 12 chapters of the Genki textbook and ~100 kanji are legitimately enough to start dating in Japan. It's really that easy.
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estimate for how fast a low iqcel could learn that much?
 
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I mean, starting and getting the motivation are the most difficult parts. If you've learned 60 kanji and understood some things on HT, you're already on the right path
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it's legit all gone now. My brain is fucking fried
 
Pained4ever said:
how well could i get around day to day with that much?
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Pretty well. It's not enough to understand most conversation, but it's enough for any conversation to be dumbed down to that level.
  • What they said (above your level): "I was delayed in going to work because the road was blocked, creating a detour that extended my commute by 15 minutes."
  • Dumbed down version (your level): "I was late to work. The road was closed. Normally, going to work takes 30 minutes. Today, going to work took 45 minutes."
 
Rance said:
Pretty well. It's not enough to understand most conversation, but it's enough for any conversation to be dumbed down to that level.
  • What they said (above your level): "I was delayed in going to work because the road was blocked, creating a detour that extended my commute by 15 minutes."
  • Dumbed down version (your level): "I was late to work. The road was closed. Normally, going to work takes 30 minutes. Today, going to work took 45 minutes."
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hmmmmm. seems like being non-nt could be a major hurdle here
 
Pained4ever said:
hmmmmm. seems like being non-nt could be a major hurdle here
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Maybe, although I'm not sure what you mean in this case.

One great thing for non-NTs is that everyone learning Japanese, regardless of their neurotypicality, sounds autistic when trying to communicate. You're not expected to be eloquent, which allows those with poor social skills to blend into the herd a bit more.
 
They do but they're so excruciatingly difficult, it's kinda hilarious. No wonder their men are all incels.
 
I got obsessive with it and made a combined heatmap of all the phenotypes present in the East Asian region. Based on my subjective ratings. Looks like this:

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So yeah, I guess I do find Japanese girls the most attractive.

The reason Hokkaido is bright green is because I forgot to account for Ainu. Should probably be the same color as the rest of Japan.

I wonder what this would look like if I did every phenotype on the globe...
 
Rance said:
I got obsessive with it and made a combined heatmap of all the phenotypes present in the East Asian region. Based on my subjective ratings. Looks like this:

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So yeah, I guess I do find Japanese girls the most attractive.

The reason Hokkaido is bright green is because I forgot to account for Ainu. Should probably be the same color as the rest of Japan.

I wonder what this would look like if I did every phenotype on the globe...
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what are ur thoughts on white women?
 
Pained4ever said:
what are ur thoughts on white women?
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Generally I like white women about the same as I like East Asian women.

When white women are beautiful they are very beautiful, but I think they tend to have more failos than East Asian women, such as oversized noses and square jaws. There are some more subjective failos I dislike such as curly hair.

There is also the issue of soft looksmaxxing and it's no secret that white women tend to be more obese, have poorer fashion sense, and be less "cute" overall. I also dislike the makeup and hair styles found in most Western countries so my view is colored by that as well.
 
Rance said:
Generally I like white women about the same as I like East Asian women.

When white women are beautiful they are very beautiful, but I think they tend to have more failos than East Asian women, such as oversized noses and square jaws.

There is also the issue of soft looksmaxxing and it's no secret that white women tend to be more obese, have poorer fashion sense, and be less "cute" overall.
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I agree. I think white women have the highest potential for being attractive, but on average they're abt the same.
 
imo white women are the hottest but it's not all about that

asian women on average feel a lot more down to earth and kind for the most part (at least from what ive seen in SEA)
 
I have a preference for EE (notably RUS and UKR) women, but it’s totally a personal preference. Would still take a Japanese instead of a European or US one any time of the day, both in terms of appearance and personality.

Chinese ones are also nice if you’re into anime as they tend to cosplay well.
 
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I have a preference for EE (notably RUS and UKR) women, but it’s totally a personal preference. Would still take a Japanese instead of a European or US one any time of the day, both in terms of appearance and personality.

Chinese ones are also nice if you’re into anime as they tend to cosplay well.
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i'd never make it in china even tho the women are hot
 
Interesting take! When I was in Japan, though, a lot of the women looked absolutely melted. Very, very bloated and no chin. But some had incredible facial structure too, im not sure how they are even related.
 
Rance said:
I'm using a combination of HanziHero, an app called SuperChinese, and a web browser tool called Migaku that allows me to "sentence mine" (to basically consume native content a lot more easily).
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I’m trying to assemble a stack and was kinda thinking about using only Migaku, considering they have a structured course. Is the addition of SuperChinese worth it? HanziHero def makes sense as an Anki alternative for grinding all them characters and building a foundation
 
Orientalist said:
I’m trying to assemble a stack and was kinda thinking about using only Migaku, considering they have a structured course. Is the addition of SuperChinese worth it? HanziHero def makes sense as an Anki alternative for grinding all them characters and building a foundation
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SuperChinese is worth it. Get the monthly subscription until you come across a yearly sale. They go REALLY cheap. I got a year for about $20-25 USD. It focuses on speaking and listening and will get you using grammar. SuperChinese is the backbone of my studies because grammar and building sentences is what allows you to actually communicate. HanziHero and Migaku are kind of the support soldiers of the learning stack. If you use a stack similar to what I use, you will find that your primary "textbook" (in this case SuperChinese) will introduce terms where you don't know the comprising hanzi. Just "eyeball" those and try to remember them lightly until you come across them in HanziHero, at which point you'll learn them solidly.

Don't get the SuperChinese AI "CHAO" thing unless there's a huge sale. I don't think they have sales for CHAO though. It's pretty much just a GPT wrapper and while it's convenient to use it within the app, you can get the same effect by asking ChatGPT or DeepSeek.

The Migaku course is not very good and I'd recommend just using it for reading, sentence mining, and as an alternative to Anki for manually-added sentence flash cards. No harm in trying it out and seeing if it helps you though.

HanziHero is a must and they have a new dictionary feature that allows you to introduce cards for any term not covered in the course. You may want to use this feature for sex terms such as 精液 lol. Additionally, HanziHero allows you to "prioritize" words and hanzi. If you come across a term in SuperChinese that's very common but isn't introduced until later in HanziHero, you may want to fast-track that with the prioritization function. I'd recommend this for words like 商店 and 苹果.

This website is a great resource for deeper dives into individual grammar points: https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/A1_grammar_points
 
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Rance said:
  1. Learn hiragana and katakana before learning anything else. There is really no "best" way to do this and should only take a week or two. Flash cards are good.

  2. Watch TokiniAndy's Genki video lessons. They are easy to follow and fantastic quality:

  3. Get started on WaniKani. It is the Japanese equivalent of HanziHero (which is for Chinese). You get the first 100 or so kanji for free, and all the words that come alongside them. WaniKani and HanziHero are great applications because their free periods are free-free, no credit card, not some trial period bullshit. Set it to a very slow and casual pace so you don't get burned out.
The first 12 chapters of the Genki textbook and ~100 kanji are legitimately enough to start dating in Japan. It's really that easy.

I'd recommend joining a language exchange Discord server or something similar so you can ask questions ask you go along. You'll have a lot of little questions cropping up here and there. However, these days ChatGPT is also quite good for this. Do ask ChatGPT questions whenever you have them, even if they seem simple, because it might offer another way of looking at an otherwise confusing concept.

DO NOT bother with Duolingo, Rosetta Stone, or any other normie nonsense software.
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interesting. do you think there might be some other, easier path to conversational language skill if you dont give slightest fuck about writing and reading?
 
Rance said:
SuperChinese is worth it. Get the monthly subscription until you come across a yearly sale. They go REALLY cheap. I got a year for about $20-25 USD. It focuses on speaking and listening and will get you using grammar. SuperChinese is the backbone of my studies because grammar and building sentences is what allows you to actually communicate. HanziHero and Migaku are kind of the support soldiers of the learning stack. If you use a stack similar to what I use, you will find that your primary "textbook" (in this case SuperChinese) will introduce terms where you don't know the comprising hanzi. Just "eyeball" those and try to remember them lightly until you come across them in HanziHero, at which point you'll learn them solidly.

Don't get the SuperChinese AI "CHAO" thing unless there's a huge sale. I don't think they have sales for CHAO though. It's pretty much just a GPT wrapper and while it's convenient to use it within the app, you can get the same effect by asking ChatGPT or DeepSeek.

The Migaku course is not very good and I'd recommend just using it for reading, sentence mining, and as an alternative to Anki for manually-added sentence flash cards. No harm in trying it out and seeing if it helps you though.

HanziHero is a must and they have a new dictionary feature that allows you to introduce cards for any term not covered in the course. You may want to use this feature for sex terms such as 精液 lol. Additionally, HanziHero allows you to "prioritize" words and hanzi. If you come across a term in SuperChinese that's very common but isn't introduced until later in HanziHero, you may want to fast-track that with the prioritization function. I'd recommend this for words like 商店 and 苹果.

This website is a great resource for deeper dives into individual grammar points: https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/A1_grammar_points
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btw i'd love to see your detailed summary and comparison of japan and china you talked about some time ago
 
kamster said:
interesting. do you think there might be some other, easier path to conversational language skill if you dont give slightest fuck about writing and reading?
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For Japanese yes, for Chinese no.

Hiragana and katakana are a must. Can't avoid those. Really fast and painless though. With Japanese you can put more or less focus on kanji based on how much you care about writing and reading. Like I said above about 100 kanji will get you through all essential situations. With Japanese you can rely on hiragana to get you by almost all of the time. If you know how to say it, you can write it with hiragana. EZ. With Chinese you're going to be completely unable to read or write text messages unless you learn the characters.
 
Rance said:
SuperChinese is worth it. Get the monthly subscription until you come across a yearly sale. They go REALLY cheap. I got a year for about $20-25 USD. It focuses on speaking and listening and will get you using grammar. SuperChinese is the backbone of my studies because grammar and building sentences is what allows you to actually communicate. HanziHero and Migaku are kind of the support soldiers of the learning stack. If you use a stack similar to what I use, you will find that your primary "textbook" (in this case SuperChinese) will introduce terms where you don't know the comprising hanzi. Just "eyeball" those and try to remember them lightly until you come across them in HanziHero, at which point you'll learn them solidly.

Don't get the SuperChinese AI "CHAO" thing unless there's a huge sale. I don't think they have sales for CHAO though. It's pretty much just a GPT wrapper and while it's convenient to use it within the app, you can get the same effect by asking ChatGPT or DeepSeek.

The Migaku course is not very good and I'd recommend just using it for reading, sentence mining, and as an alternative to Anki for manually-added sentence flash cards. No harm in trying it out and seeing if it helps you though.

HanziHero is a must and they have a new dictionary feature that allows you to introduce cards for any term not covered in the course. You may want to use this feature for sex terms such as 精液 lol. Additionally, HanziHero allows you to "prioritize" words and hanzi. If you come across a term in SuperChinese that's very common but isn't introduced until later in HanziHero, you may want to fast-track that with the prioritization function. I'd recommend this for words like 商店 and 苹果.

This website is a great resource for deeper dives into individual grammar points: https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/A1_grammar_points
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Is there something special about SuperChinese after looking into other platforms or is that just works for you? (We have identical goals afaik). It's a bit of a clusterfuck and I'm getting analysis paralysis with all of these damn apps - and fucking hell Hanzihero is a lot of cognitive overhead on the first day jumping in to these complicated mnemonics instead of just having an Anki deck lol.

But—I do get the idea of having a "textbook" + drilling Hanzi + immersion & sentence mining. When I dabbled in Japanese a while back (forgot basically everything) I simply did JP1K sentence cards (vocab starting from zero, kanji and all, in i+1 format where you recall the highlighted word) + Tae Kim and Cure Dolly (lol) for grammar, and then eventually sentence mining.

I guess, in the case of Mandarin, with the 4-part memorization of meaning, tone, initial, and final, it favors having a dedicated character deck (or HanziHero in this case), whereas in Japanese I guess it's essential to see kanji in the context of whole words/within sentences due to the diferent readings... which is a bit more enjoyable lol, but still fucking hard, hence people usually recommending RTK (sometimes over WaniKani) but HanziHero here actually makes a bit more sense.
 
Orientalist said:
Is there something special about SuperChinese after looking into other platforms or is that just works for you? (We have identical goals afaik). It's a bit of a clusterfuck and I'm getting analysis paralysis with all of these damn apps - and fucking hell Hanzihero is a lot of cognitive overhead on the first day jumping in to these complicated mnemonics instead of just having an Anki deck lol.
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There is nothing especially unique about SuperChinese. I just went through a bunch of different "textbook" resources including A Course in Contemporary Chinese (was learning Traditional at first), Integrated Chinese, Hello Chinese, and finally SuperChinese. I found SuperChinese to be the most comprehensive and helped me learn faster than the others. Your mileage may vary.

Even though I called Superchinese the "backbone" of my studies, I'd recommend getting a bit into HanziHero before jumping into a textbook. Having a small character set to begin with will take a lot of the cognitive load off.

Orientalist said:
I guess, in the case of Mandarin, with the 4-part memorization of meaning, tone, initial, and final, it favors having a dedicated character deck (or HanziHero in this case), whereas in Japanese I guess it's essential to see kanji in the context of whole words/within sentences due to the diferent readings... which is a bit more enjoyable lol, but still fucking hard, hence people usually recommending RTK (sometimes over WaniKani) but HanziHero here actually makes a bit more sense.
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Yes, I'd consider it more essential than in Japanese.

HanziHero will feel slow and meandering at first because it will cram a lot of sounds and components down your throat, which of course are not useful in isolation, and only useful in learning hanzi. Once you get a lot of those out of the way the hanzi and words will make up more of your cards.

Here are screenshots of my progress in September versus today. Note the ratio of characters/words to sounds/components -- it increases appreciably as time goes on.

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Rance said:
There is nothing especially unique about SuperChinese. I just went through a bunch of different "textbook" resources including A Course in Contemporary Chinese (was learning Traditional at first), Integrated Chinese, Hello Chinese, and finally SuperChinese. I found SuperChinese to be the most comprehensive and helped me learn faster than the others. Your mileage may vary.

Even though I called Superchinese the "backbone" of my studies, I'd recommend getting a bit into HanziHero before jumping into a textbook. Having a small character set to begin with will take a lot of the cognitive load off.


Yes, I'd consider it more essential than in Japanese.

HanziHero will feel slow and meandering at first because it will cram a lot of sounds and components down your throat, which of course are not useful in isolation, and only useful in learning hanzi. Once you get a lot of those out of the way the hanzi and words will make up more of your cards.

Here are screenshots of my progress in September versus today. Note the ratio of characters/words to sounds/components -- it increases appreciably as time goes on.

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How are you deciding which words to mine and review as sentence cards on Migaku and which to just prioritize on HanziHero? Or maybe do both?
 
Orientalist said:
How are you deciding which words to mine and review as sentence cards on Migaku and which to just prioritize on HanziHero? Or maybe do both?
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HanziHero words get prioritized if they fit one of two conditions:
  • I see them very often when reading (SuperChinese, Migaku) AND the hanzi in the word are not too far ahead (examples: 英国，天空，问题，开始). In other words, the term is so frequent that I leap ahead to hanzi I don't know.
  • I see them occasionally when reading AND I already know all of the hanzi in the word. These often require using the dictionary feature because they're not in the HH curriculum for whatever reason. (examples: 饭店，说唱，机会). In other words, I already know the hanzi, so I take advantage of it.
I don't really choose mined sentences in Migaku based on vocabulary, I save that for HH. I choose sentences in Migaku based on grammar patterns. So if I understand most or all of the words in a sentence but think, huh, I've never seen that expressed that way before, I'll save it as a mined card. For choosing the "word" for the sentence, I just choose the word that's the most complicated or that I'm least familiar with.
 
Rance said:
HanziHero words get prioritized if they fit one of two conditions:
  • I see them very often when reading (SuperChinese, Migaku) AND the hanzi in the word are not too far ahead (examples: 英国，天空，问题，开始). In other words, the term is so frequent that I leap ahead to hanzi I don't know.
  • I see them occasionally when reading AND I already know all of the hanzi in the word. These often require using the dictionary feature because they're not in the HH curriculum for whatever reason. (examples: 饭店，说唱，机会). In other words, I already know the hanzi, so I take advantage of it.
I don't really choose mined sentences in Migaku based on vocabulary, I save that for HH. I choose sentences in Migaku based on grammar patterns. So if I understand most or all of the words in a sentence but think, huh, I've never seen that expressed that way before, I'll save it as a mined card. For choosing the "word" for the sentence, I just choose the word that's the most complicated or that I'm least familiar with.
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What’s your opinion on “Ni Hao, Kai-lan” for learning Chinese?
 
Rance said:
I don't really choose mined sentences in Migaku based on vocabulary, I save that for HH. I choose sentences in Migaku based on grammar patterns. So if I understand most or all of the words in a sentence but think, huh, I've never seen that expressed that way before, I'll save it as a mined card. For choosing the "word" for the sentence, I just choose the word that's the most complicated or that I'm least familiar with.
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Yeah, I guess I'll be doing something to that effect; drilling alternate definitions and grammar points and such. It'll be amazing if one day we can quickly export sentence cards from Migaku (or even just some browser extension/mpv script designed to export to Anki or what have you) over to HH. There's an option in HH for your word reviews to be formatted as targeted sentence cards, but it's just a basic pre-provided sentence. Meanwhile in Migaku the additional context of a screenshot+the audio+the fact it was from media you consumed is pretty dope - I think using mnemonics all the way up will make my fucking head spin, and it's a bit annoying having to redundantly juggle both systems.
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