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Just spent 170$ and omg the changes, with glasses I just added 0.5 to 1.0 to my looks. For 100$ it's possible.
 
I dont think a point makes much difference unless you're a 9 already. the difference between a 9 and a 10 is pretty big, girls notice. they get exponentially more matches. the difference between a 3 and 4 is negligible they both get zero women, and a 7 and 8 are probably also mostly scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.

someone feel free to refute me. I dont understand fashion at all.
 
BiggChungus said:
I dont think a point makes much difference unless you're a 9 already. the difference between a 9 and a 10 is pretty big, girls notice. they get exponentially more matches. the difference between a 3 and 4 is negligible they both get zero women, and a 7 and 8 are probably also mostly scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
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I think there is an extremely noticeable dropoff between the 5-7 level (MTN to Chadlite). Sub-5s get nothing in this world. But most of the people living their best lives are not necessarily Chads (8) but just Chadlites (7), or even just softmaxxed HTNs (6). Therefore incremental looks changes and softmaxxing are most important in the 5-7 range.

This is kind of my mental model:

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BiggChungus said:
I dont think a point makes much difference unless you're a 9 already. the difference between a 9 and a 10 is pretty big, girls notice. they get exponentially more matches. the difference between a 3 and 4 is negligible they both get zero women, and a 7 and 8 are probably also mostly scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.

someone feel free to refute me. I dont understand fashion at all.
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i dont understand your argument, unless your way of rating is completely off
a 9 already gets an unlimited amount of matches, it doesn't matter if he is a 10 or a 8.5, at that scale you are better than 99% of people you see on the street
 
BiggChungus said:
I dont think a point makes much difference unless you're a 9 already. the difference between a 9 and a 10 is pretty big, girls notice. they get exponentially more matches. the difference between a 3 and 4 is negligible they both get zero women, and a 7 and 8 are probably also mostly scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.

someone feel free to refute me. I dont understand fashion at all.
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a point difference is huge
if you can get an extra point by looksmaxxing fashion for a few weeks and spending a few 100$, it's one of the best ROI out there

for comparison the gym can also give you +1, but the amount of effort is at least multiple months
and you need to spend a ton of hours every week between workouts + cooking/meals
 
Rance said:
I think there is an extremely noticeable dropoff between the 5-7 level (MTN to Chadlite). Sub-5s get nothing in this world. But most of the people living their best lives are not necessarily Chads (8) but just Chadlites (7), or even just softmaxxed HTNs (6). Therefore incremental looks changes and softmaxxing are most important in the 5-7 range.

This is kind of my mental model:

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anything below a 6 is extremely common (2/3 of the population is between a 4 and a 6)
anything above a 7 is extremely uncommon (10% of the population)

fashion can give you up to +1 to your base stats
gym can give you up to +1 to your base stats
general style and grooming can give you up to +1 to your base stats

almost anyone can reach the 7 points mark if you are willing to work on yourself, assuming you aren't very short or have bad facial genetics
 
14passport said:
anything below a 6 is extremely common (2/3 of the population is between a 4 and a 6)
anything above a 7 is extremely uncommon (10% of the population)

fashion can give you up to +1 to your base stats
gym can give you up to +1 to your base stats
general style and grooming can give you up to +1 to your base stats

almost anyone can reach the 7 points mark if you are willing to work on yourself, assuming you aren't very short or have bad facial genetics
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I think the "base stats" assume a decent level of fashion, gym, style, and grooming to already exist. In my opinion you can add up to 1 full point by perfecting all of them, but you can also lose 1 full point by neglecting all of them. I really don't think anyone can be a 7 unless they're already at least a 6. It still comes down mostly to facial attractiveness, height, and charm.
 
Rance said:
I think the "base stats" assume a decent level of fashion, gym, style, and grooming to already exist. In my opinion you can add up to 1 full point by perfecting all of them, but you can also lose 1 full point by neglecting all of them. I really don't think anyone can be a 7 unless they're already at least a 6. It still comes down mostly to facial attractiveness, height, and charm.
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the way i see it everyone has a maximum physical potential they can achieve, most people can get to a 7 assuming they maximize everything they can control (gym, fashion,hair and other smaller things)

why is almost nobody a 7 and most are stuck at 4-6? because they dont do most of those things:

what % of the total population have an aesthetic gym body? it's no more than 20%, maybe 15%
how many have good fashion style? i don't see more than 20% of them dressing well, at least in europe
how many have a good hair style that suits them + facial hair + skincare? maybe 30%
how many do all of this combined? very few, around 10% which is why normal distribution has a range of 10% for +7
how many do all of this + have good genetics? you are into the 1-5% territory

most of the attractive guys i see have more to do with maxxing out everything they can rather than genetics
for real chads yes, you will never mog them because they have maxxed everything and have god tier genetics
 
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BiggChungus said:
I dont think a point makes much difference unless you're a 9 already. the difference between a 9 and a 10 is pretty big, girls notice. they get exponentially more matches. the difference between a 3 and 4 is negligible they both get zero women, and a 7 and 8 are probably also mostly scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.

someone feel free to refute me. I dont understand fashion at all.
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It definitely makes a difference if your anything more than average.

It especially matters if you pick higher status girls and is a must for more attractive girls
 
Rance said:
I think there is an extremely noticeable dropoff between the 5-7 level (MTN to Chadlite). Sub-5s get nothing in this world. But most of the people living their best lives are not necessarily Chads (8) but just Chadlites (7), or even just softmaxxed HTNs (6). Therefore incremental looks changes and softmaxxing are most important in the 5-7 range.

This is kind of my mental model:

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Im a HTN 6 so its very important for me. Im rated that and need to improve how I can
 
QuantativeAnalyticalBS said:
A HTN wouldn’t need to geomax..
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The idea of "need to geomax" is fundamentally a sub-MTN mindset. MTNs and above don't geomaxx because they need to, but because it provides an even more extreme abundance of opportunity.

I get by just fine in the West, occasionally have a hookup, can get a decent looking girl to date. But I still have to approach, and still feel insecure sometimes because of lack of abundance. In Japan, a good chunk of my experiences came from women approaching me, and I always retained control over relationships because there was always another girl waiting in line for me. It's this kind of power from abundance that is life changing. The absolute lack of any need to even think about it. That's that value that higher-SMV guys get from it.
 
Rance said:
The idea of "need to geomax" is fundamentally a sub-MTN mindset. MTNs and above don't geomaxx because they need to, but because it provides an even more extreme abundance of opportunity.

I get by just fine in the West, occasionally have a hookup, can get a decent looking girl to date. But I still have to approach, and still feel insecure sometimes because of lack of abundance. In Japan, a good chunk of my experiences came from women approaching me, and I always retained control over relationships because there was always another girl waiting in line for me. It's this kind of power from abundance that is life changing. The absolute lack of any need to even think about it. That's that value that higher-SMV guys get from it.
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They don’t like Whites in Asia anyway, i’ll be proving it on thursday.
 
14passport said:
fashion can give you up to +1 to your base stats
gym can give you up to +1 to your base stats
general style and grooming can give you up to +1 to your base stats
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No fashion for your face
No gym for your face
No general style and grooming for your face
Not really seeing your argument
 
Orientalist said:
No fashion for your face
No gym for your face
No general style and grooming for your face
Not really seeing your argument
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The arguement is, YOUR FACE is not only on looks level
When you see a girl at club do you only check her face? Nope. You check the whole package. /ENDTHREAD
 
Rance said:
The idea of "need to geomax" is fundamentally a sub-MTN mindset. MTNs and above don't geomaxx because they need to, but because it provides an even more extreme abundance of opportunity.

I get by just fine in the West, occasionally have a hookup, can get a decent looking girl to date. But I still have to approach, and still feel insecure sometimes because of lack of abundance. In Japan, a good chunk of my experiences came from women approaching me, and I always retained control over relationships because there was always another girl waiting in line for me. It's this kind of power from abundance that is life changing. The absolute lack of any need to even think about it. That's that value that higher-SMV guys get from it.
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This. The girls I dated and looks was way out of my league or I ever could
When I was rejected by girls in EUROPE years ago, I never thought Id get better girls. I only wrote it to someone in a forum ill get someone better. And it happened
 
Im not a fan of defeatist mindset here, you guys are saying:
UNLESS Im goodlooking, everything is useless

I used to be a 4.5 and turned myself into 5.5 facially

My body used to be a 3 and it turned into a 6 or solid 6.5

Your saying as, hmmm well cause my face is a 4.5, there is no point of trying, without even knowing what will happen.
If I was a defeatist, I could never make good money and travel. Yes, most people aren't born good looking. Get over it
 
younglivinglife said:
Im not a fan of defeatist mindset here, you guys are saying:
UNLESS Im goodlooking, everything is useless

I used to be a 4.5 and turned myself into 5.5 facially

My body used to be a 3 and it turned into a 6 or solid 6.5

Your saying as, hmmm well cause my face is a 4.5, there is no point of trying, without even knowing what will happen.
If I was a defeatist, I could never make good money and travel. Yes, most people aren't born good looking. Get over it
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younglivinglife said:
Im not a fan of defeatist mindset here, you guys are saying:
UNLESS Im goodlooking, everything is useless

I used to be a 4.5 and turned myself into 5.5 facially

My body used to be a 3 and it turned into a 6 or solid 6.5

Your saying as, hmmm well cause my face is a 4.5, there is no point of trying, without even knowing what will happen.
If I was a defeatist, I could never make good money and travel. Yes, most people aren't born good looking. Get over it
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Noone ever said this tbh. Obviously do everything you can. It's just the suggestion that ""gym"" and other softmaxes adds several points to your whole package that is laughable. And the majority of people are not going from a 4.5 to 5.5 facially either without sugery (which also isn't even HTN)
 
Orientalist said:
Noone ever said this tbh. Obviously do everything you can. It's just the suggestion that ""gym"" and other softmaxes adds several points to your whole package that is laughable. And the majority of people are not going from a 4.5 to 5.5 facially either without sugery (which also isn't even HTN)
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Gym just gives you more appeal on dating apps tbh.
 
Orientalist said:
Noone ever said this tbh. Obviously do everything you can. It's just the suggestion that ""gym"" and other softmaxes adds several points to your whole package that is laughable. And the majority of people are not going from a 4.5 to 5.5 facially either without sugery (which also isn't even HTN)
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Adds 0.25 points to 1 point. Helps imo, not just on dating apps. IRL too
 
14passport said:
anything below a 6 is extremely common (2/3 of the population is between a 4 and a 6)
anything above a 7 is extremely uncommon (10% of the population)

fashion can give you up to +1 to your base stats
gym can give you up to +1 to your base stats
general style and grooming can give you up to +1 to your base stats

almost anyone can reach the 7 points mark if you are willing to work on yourself, assuming you aren't very short or have bad facial genetics
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If we define 5 as average guy, and 7 as significantly above average, your assumption is very untrue. A guy can definitely improve his physical SMV by grooming, haircut, fashionmaxxing, gym etc, but every guy has his genetic limit. There might be some cases of a chubby 5 who has great facial genetics under all that body fat and can become a 7, but realistically speaking most guys are very average genetically and do not fall into that category. A legit 7 should generally have no problem dating where he goes, this is the level where girls start approaching you, but go into the street and see how rare that actually is, and look at the average guy and realistically think about what maxxing everything can do.
Additionally, just putting this out there, its easier for an average asian dude to ape what he sees on chinese social media and kpop/fashion/makeup maxx than an average indian dude increasing his SMV.
 
Orientalist said:
No fashion for your face
No gym for your face
No general style and grooming for your face
Not really seeing your argument
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no fashion for your face? accesories that fit you such as chains, caps, glasses can make your face more attractive
gym? a low body fat % and toned neck will make your face look way better
grooming? you are telling me someone with an unkept 30 cm beard and dirty hair would look the same as freshly shaved and with a good hairstyle?

face is only one aspect of attractiveness, very important one, yes, but not the only thing
 
practicaleagle said:
If we define 5 as average guy, and 7 as significantly above average, your assumption is very untrue. A guy can definitely improve his physical SMV by grooming, haircut, fashionmaxxing, gym etc, but every guy has his genetic limit. There might be some cases of a chubby 5 who has great facial genetics under all that body fat and can become a 7, but realistically speaking most guys are very average genetically and do not fall into that category. A legit 7 should generally have no problem dating where he goes, this is the level where girls start approaching you, but go into the street and see how rare that actually is, and look at the average guy and realistically think about what maxxing everything can do.
Additionally, just putting this out there, its easier for an average asian dude to ape what he sees on chinese social media and kpop/fashion/makeup maxx than an average indian dude increasing his SMV.
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you are fucked if you are a minority with bad SMV, i can agree to that
the average indian guy will have a lower maximum SMV

i look at the average guy and i see most of them do maybe 1 of the 3 things, they are very rarely gym maxxed and fashion maxxed, the most common one seems to be a well kept haircut and facial hair
and yes, i do think most of them could get close to a 7 if they maxxed everything

how many guys have you seen that have gym, fashion, grooming and good style that are not a 7?
(im talking about female gaze gym body, not a roided guy, same goes for fashion and grooming)
 
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